All records Broken! Dynamite attendance

[( o Y o )]

According to the California State Athletic Commission, which on Thursday released a detailed report documenting the June 2 event's attendance, 42,757 people watched K 1 "Dynamite!! USA" inside the venerable building, more than doubling the attendance record for an MMA event in North America.

Of the 75,332 tickets printed, 13,600 were given away, according to the CSAC.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=7820

[Grant Ellis]

..reported by CSAC to have attended K-1 Dynamite!! USA show.

That about doubles the previous record.

[( o Y o )]

merged these mate

[Body_Shots]

Dynamite!! USA buys attendance record should be the title.

[Kayo]

Dynamite!! USA buys attendance record should be the title.No shit. I was impressed until I actually read the article.

[( o Y o )]

LOL....all in the marketing.

[Body_Shots]

LOL....all in the marketing.

Who are they marketing to?

[( o Y o )]

the moron casual fan that never looks online, the local korean community, and the Japanese back home that are also moron casual fans now thinking their fav kakutougi show in japan is also a hit in the US

[Body_Shots]

the moron casual fan that never looks online, the local korean community, and the Japanese back home that are also moron casual fans now thinking their fav kakutougi show in japan is also a hit in the US

Their profile in the US isn't any bigger since Dynamite!! So I don't think they'll able be fool any casual fans here.

But from what I've read online the Japanese seem to be eating this up, lol there must some crazy, echo chamber effect in Japan or something.

[( o Y o )]

Their profile in the US isn't any bigger since Dynamite!! So I don't think they'll able be fool any casual fans here.

The name itself has to be though.

I mean, how many people on all these forums (and I either post or lurk at about 15) actually went? Very, very few hardcore fans. So, they had somewhere between 18000 and 42000 at the event most of which were casual fans, some exposure due to the small amount of marketing, major exposure in the asian community and some minor PPV activity. In total that is a shitload more people (non hardcore fans, which they said from day one was not their target audience) exposed to Dynamite than were before they held the event.

I wonder if the next K-1 event, if held in Vegas, will get any spill-over or alternatively, negative effect from this.

But from what I've read online the Japanese seem to be eating this up, lol there must some crazy, echo chamber effect in Japan or something.

I can't say I have seen too much of it personally yet. No doubt they all want to believe their product is as good as anyone else's. The only ones I have heard talking about it were either complaining Royce vs Saku was boring, or that Royce didn`t win and it was a draw at best. I haven`t heard anyone even talking about Lesner.

[Body_Shots]

The name itself has to be though.

I mean, how many people on all these forums (and I either post or lurk at about 15) actually went? Very, very few hardcore fans. So, they had somewhere between 18000 and 42000 at the event most of which were casual fans, some exposure due to the small amount of marketing, major exposure in the asian community and some minor PPV activity. In total that is a shitload more people (non hardcore fans, which they said from day one was not their target audience) exposed to Dynamite than were before they held the event.

I wonder if the next K-1 event, if held in Vegas, will get any spill-over or alternatively, negative effect from this.

They didn't get anywhere near 42 thousand people in that building. I believe the majority of people who did show up were Korean/Japanese who already know about K1 and Hong man Choi, the rest were people who actually bought the tickets, mixed in with the comps given away.

On a Nationwide level their profile isn't change, the marketing they did got less 4 thousand people to buy tickets and maybe even less to buy the PPV.

[( o Y o )]

Not that I have a whole lot of respect for Gross, but on the night when he called beatdown from there he said it could have been 35 thou right?

I just don't believe they could be getting this much attention (albeit mainly negative) in the press and not have their profile change. Particularly when they had never done anything but K-1 in Nevada anyway.

[Body_Shots]

Not that I have a whole lot of respect for Gross, but on the night when he called beatdown from there he said it could have been 35 thou right?

I just don't believe they could be getting this much attention (albeit mainly negative) in the press and not have their profile change. Particularly when they had never done anything but K-1 in Nevada anyway.

Not a fan of the Gross one, eh? lol

Josh's estimate is the largest I've heard from the media who've covered the event, the most common number thrown out is 25 thousand. The California State Athletic Commission counted about 18 thousand.

As for the press covering the event, they got the regulars, no real mainstream coverage. ESPN showed the Morton KO (ridiculing him basically) but they didn't name the event or the promotion he fought for.

Rethinking it I guess I can't say their profile hasn't changed at all, but I doubt it's changed much.

[K-1 Extremist]

What's with the Josh Gross hatred around here? I don't think he's that bad.

[miscmisc]

Their profile in the US isn't any bigger since Dynamite!! So I don't think they'll able be fool any casual fans here.

But from what I've read online the Japanese seem to be eating this up, lol there must some crazy, echo chamber effect in Japan or something.

Er, not really. You seem to be consistently overestimating that kind of things. I don't know where you read online what.

[xavion]

They didn't get anywhere near 42 thousand people in that building.

As far as I know, the CSAC would have no reason to artificially inflate the attendance...

[miscmisc]

I'd like to know how many of them were Koreans or even Soka University Cal. students. I'd say close to half.

But that surely is a good number to toss around, since it is not usual transparent BS that they and PRIDE routinely pulled in Japan, but something endorsed by the CSAC for what it's worth.

[redsquareblackbox]

Body shots:

To yours points, let us consider, nowhere was this event headlined as "K1", or "hero's". The show was called dynamite, right. Here and there, you'd see in humble type, "k1", "pro elite", "exc" and several others. No “K1 presents ...” though. It was "dynamite", a mma show, not a mma promotion.

What’s the upshot? I'm saying “they” were promoting an mma event, not an mma promotion or mma label. K1 didn't receive mention, and from what I observe, they weren't expected to. “Showtime”, on the other hand, that logo dispersed quite effectively for a non-zuffa production.

[redsquareblackbox]

Oh and, the CSAC endorsement, is uncharacteristic. Is it the result of a character change?

[aubtin]

That makes for an impresive number as a total attendance. However if the moron casual fans don't go online and dynamite!!usa isn't getting any mainstream coverage in the US then it's hard to see how this can make much of an impact.

[migo]

How are casual fans morons?

Getting some discussion outside of the internet will also be good.

[aubtin]

How are casual fans morons?

Getting some discussion outside of the internet will also be good.

I was reffering to the term used earlier in the thread, NOT calling casual fans morons.

[Global Honored]

pshh...I laugh at this number. This is like the Pro Wrestling Dome shows in Japan that hit no vacancy 60000 fans, when reality it's 15K papered maybe.

This from The Fight Network:

K-1 ATTENDANCE RECORD COMES WITH CONTROVERSY

CSAC Reports Final Attendance of 42,757

By Brian Knapp

The Fight Entertainment Group’s K-1 “Dynamite!! USA” may have established a new North American attendance mark for an MMA event, but the record will not go into the books without controversy.

A report issued today by the California State Athletic Commission shows a final attendance of 42,757 for “Dynamite!! USA,” a number that more than doubles the previous North American attendance record (19,049), set March 3 at UFC 68 “The Uprising” in Columbus, Ohio.

The report points out fans could have entered through gates without turnstiles, but the fact remains that only 18,340 were actually counted. Most estimates put the actual crowd at no more than 25,000. The CSAC reported a paid gate of $2,545,590, all but $203,090 of which came from tickets handled directly by FEG. The Japan-based promotion handled 39,083 tickets, raising eyebrows and leading many to speculate that the new attendance record was bought more than it was established.

Only 3,674 tickets were actually sold by the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum box office and Ticketmaster. What’s more, just seven premium $1,000 tickets were bought. According to the CSAC report, 13,600 complimentary tickets were given away.

The event showcased the MMA debut of former professional wrestling superstar Brock Lesnar and the rematch between legends Royce Gracie and Kazushi Sakuraba.

[Desdichado]

This just shows how meaningless attendance numbers are. 3,674 people were prepared to pay for a ticket. 'Nuff said. That should be the only number that counts.

Ivan Trembow at MMA Weekly has a good article about all the figures here (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4100&zoneid=13).

[Body_Shots]

As far as I know, the CSAC would have no reason to artificially inflate the attendance...

The attendance = the numbers of tickets FEG bought (39,083) + the number of tickets sold through Ticketmaster and the Coliseum (3,674).

Er, not really. You seem to be consistently overestimating that kind of things.

Possibly, I'd like to hear your take on it.

[miscmisc]

Possibly, I'd like to hear your take on it.

Not many people in Japan think that K-1/HERO'S/Dynamite (or PRIDE for that matter, but PRIDE had a slight advantage in terms of that while it lasted) is a global premier combat sport event, to begin with. Many of them even underestimate K-1 and think that it's just a Japanese event where they randomly pick some foreign fighters and make them fight for no particular reason.

The overwhleming majority of the casual viewers don't care about whether it was 40,000 or 20,000 or 5,000 in an event somewhere across the ocean that was hardly advertised here. The only people who truly care about that kind of stuff (other than SoftBank and to some extent TBS, that is) is the K-1 fans on the internet whose #1 purpose of life is take shit on PRIDE, and the PRIDE fans are retaliating by poitning out that they only legitimately sold 3K+ tickets and the rest were some pathetic bubbles in order for them to save face/get something positive to say about the event.

Believe it or not, it's STILL mostly about K-1/FEG vs. PRIDE on the Japanese side of the internet. Hell, not just on the internet, but in the publishing world as well. I thought it would fade away, but it's still going strong.

It's usually not the "casual fans" but the K-1 fans that tends to overblow how big K-1/HERO'S/Dynamite is, even outside the internet. They are cynical enough to buy whatever FEG says while understanding that it's mostly bluff, because it's a good tool for them to convert people and win/create arguments against PRIDE fans with. If you were able to understand Japanese and visited some Japanese forums to check out K-1/PRIDE threads, you would throw up. Even if you can stomach what was going on over at Sherdog between the UFC and PRIDE for a while.

[Cracked_Knuckle]

Thats massive. I dont get the hate either. They gots screwed by UFC and the comisions but finally raised there finger and screwed them by playing hard ball right back.

[Lord Gaul]

This is a solid accomplishment for K-1. Now they need to go out and sign fighters.

[TheDude]

So they get less than 4000 persons to pay for the show. Thats shit. But thats what you get with a shitty card.

[FieldingMellish]

This is a solid accomplishment for K-1. Now they need to go out and sign fighters.

What is? Selling less than 4000 tickets?

[Global Honored]

They had to buy their own tickets...that kills profit. This is NOT good, in any way. This was a disaster! The worstly conceived major show in recent memory. And what is worse...the execution of the event was even weaker. Plus the aftermath with tainted drug tests from two of their major "draws," including the controversial winner. FEG should be the one suspended by Athletic Commissions.

[( o Y o )]

with tainted drug tests from two of their major "draws," including the controversial winner. FEG should be the one suspended by Athletic Commissions.

If that were the criteria UFC would have stopped being able to run years ago.

[slash]

FEG should be the one suspended by Athletic Commissions.

Like they didn't screw them enough already...

[Cracked_Knuckle]

They had to buy their own tickets...that kills profit. This is NOT good, in any way. This was a disaster! The worstly conceived major show in recent memory. And what is worse...the execution of the event was even weaker. Plus the aftermath with tainted drug tests from two of their major "draws," including the controversial winner. FEG should be the one suspended by Athletic Commissions.

I love it. Dana tried to fuck them and they boght in the bigguns and fucking buyed themselfs the record. They are now the biggest MMA event ever in Danas backyard. I just fucking love it :D

[migo]

They are cynical enough to buy whatever FEG says while understanding that it's mostly bluff, because it's a good tool for them to convert people and win/create arguments against PRIDE fans with. .

cynical means the exact opposite of what you want it to mean, had to read through it a couple of times to realise you actually meant something like naive.

[migo]

They had to buy their own tickets...that kills profit. This is NOT good, in any way. This was a disaster! The worstly conceived major show in recent memory. And what is worse...the execution of the event was even weaker. Plus the aftermath with tainted drug tests from two of their major "draws," including the controversial winner. FEG should be the one suspended by Athletic Commissions.

I love how people think how a company that's already huge is going to do something that's a complete disaster. Odds are Softbank wouldn't back FEG if they weren't sure FEG was doing something right. More likely than not the result of the show was on the lower end of what FEG considered acceptable than that it was a disaster as most fans saying so seem to think.