Rate DYNAMITE USA

[( o Y o )]

What did YOU think of this show (not what is cool to say about it)?

I am tossing up between a 6 and 7.

They fell well short of what I and they expected, but then they succeded to bring a totally different form of MMA to the US. Considering the number of opponents that either dropped out or were kicked out by th commission, they held it together and pulled off a mildly entertaining night that most that attended have said was better than any other MMA event they have been to live.

[xavion]

I was entertained by most of the fights... thought they were good for the most part.

The DJ was awful, I wanted to kill him after 30 seconds. They need to fire Goldberg immediately! K-1/The alliance needs to rethink how they do the PPV... the festivities may have been great for the live audience but it didn't work at all on the PPV.

I guess I'd give it a 7 for the fights and a 3 for the PPV production. Anyone on the forum here attend live?

[sNk]

I just gave it a 4.

[heckyl]

i gave it a 10 because of DJ Warcraft :D

[aubtin]

I gave it a 6.

I thought the fights overall were quite good but I couldn't stand Goldberg, or that "home boy" on the ones and twos.

I like that they tried to make it an entertaining event but the atmosphere definitely didn't translate to the TV audience.

Also this is my 1st post, so err hello!

[heckyl]

awesome avatar ^^ lol.

[EckY]

Ill give it a 6.

[Grant Ellis]

I gave it a 4.

[heckyl]

I gave it a 4.


hater. DJ warcraft stole the show. if i could give it a 100 i would.

[Mato]

Most of the fights were good and entertaining with Sik vs Melvin being the fight of the night for me, but the main and co-main event were weak. Production wise it could have been better in my opinion and the lack of crowd in such a big stadium was to visible. Goldberg...meh, DJ...whatever.

I mean...given that all athletic commissions are propriety of Zuffa LLC...like i said, if it wasn't for all the last minute replacements and with a little more time to prepare i think they would have done much better and not only attendance wise.

All in all it was ok, could have been better but even worse so...i give it a 6.

[TheDude]

Shitty card to begin with, and it only got worse with all the replacements. In the end there was just one good fight (Sik vs Melvin) so the event was a 4 for me.

[Michael Schiavello]

I'm looking forward to watching this one when I get home, my mate recorded it for me...

As far as commentary goes, it's an art to be able to make even average fights are average events thrilling for a television audience... it's not hard to do, just requires you to get enthused and translate that enthusiasm through the microphone.

I've commentated some truly boring events in the past (not K-1, but local stuff) but you can get audiences excietd even about them by having an enthusiastic and informative commentary.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

I gave it a 5. Lots of room for improvement. The 5 mostly comes from getting the show going and handling all the insane commission crap. The fights were okay but they really were meaningless.

[Lord Gaul]

There are a lot of 4's and 6's. So I am going to go 5. KO's always help a card that has fights we won't remember. But not that much.

[timmothy84]

I gave it a five. Because Mighty Mo is the man! It was pretty entertaining. I like to see the rounds be longer in the MMA in the US though.

[migo]

I only watched the fights, most were nothing special. Royce/Sakuraba was interesting, mainly because of the history, would probably be a bit boring otherwise. Tokoro/Picket was a very good fight. Yoon/Manhoef was awesome, I was so happy with the result of that fight.

[redsquareblackbox]

Ok, a couple examples of great shows and poor shows are required before any ranking. Prouduction wise, it pleased more than ufc ppvs post-ramp. That's not saying much, for their ppvs are aesthetically revolting (did you see what zuffa did to wec. the set up used to be alluring; not now).

The dub (and by dub I mean all audio) was frankly objectionable. Goldberg is as inept at critical depiction as Joe Rogaine and Max Kellerman. Who are likable mma, boxing or k1 announcers? These people are supposed to piss you off, but not disgust you. Get a cynical ballbuster in there.

The show was fair. At the least we witnessed a small bit of something called submission fighting. It's dying in the the U.S., you may know?

[Desdichado]

I thought, in all honesty, that it was pretty horrible.

The start of the PPV with the quasi-Olympic ceremony was painful to watch, especially since you could clearly see how empty the stadium looked. You can actually hear one of the commentators, or someone standing close to the them, hollering "What are they doing? Jesus fucking Christ!" during this part if you listen closely.

Dennis Rodman, mismatches, the DJ screaming and people booing during the Sakuraba-Gracie fight, making that fight fifteen minutes, Goldberg--I could go on ...

There were a couple of fights I did enjoy though, especially Yoon-Manhoef and Tokoro-Pickett. I still think it's a bad idea to let a guy who's 0-4-0 fight someone who is 16-3-1, but Yoon really, really impressed me. Judo saiko!

The Sakuraba-Gracie fight I'm gonna pretend never happened.

[( o Y o )]

As far as commentary goes, it's an art to be able to make even average fights are average events thrilling for a television audience... it's not hard to do, just requires you to get enthused and translate that enthusiasm through the microphone.

You best have a word to Goldburg mate...he seemed to get worse as the night unfolded "Never seen that before" to someone tapping due to punches and his consant puroresu comparisons after telling us they are fighters not puroresu was getting real annoying there.

[( o Y o )]

Also this is my 1st post, so err hello!

Welcome aboard...I have seen you lurk for some time ;-)


And I really do wonder how this pole would read with people that attended the event only being able to vote (assuming we had 50 people here that attended) so we could hear from them. I haven`t read anything bad from someone there yet.

It would be interesting too to hear what FEG really think. If they had 35,000 asses in seats, free or not, I expect as a marketing exercise they would deem it as semi-successful (in combination with the TBS broadcast etc).

[nimeni_70]

The event sucked...I gave it a 6

[( o Y o )]

The event sucked...I gave it a 6

so why did you vote for 1?

[FieldingMellish]

I can't really give it a simple number score because depending on what I'm looking at it changes drastically.

As others have said, on TV, the production SUCKED and the pacing of the show was just abominable. That DJ should be taken on a nice flight over the Pacific Ocean in a helicopter. And thrown out around 200 miles offshore.

Goldberg was just as irritating as he was on the WFA show but Glazer was worse to me. His 'history' lessons about how nobody would have even been there if not for Royce Gracie really wound me up. I'd never deny Gracie's status as a legend (I had him 29-28 over my hero Sakuraba by the way) but the thousands of Koreans with papered tickets were there to see some Koreans have some kind of fight. That had NOTHING to do with Royce Gracie. And it also ignored the Japanese side of MMA history. I know it was promotional hype but as a historian that kind of glib bullshit really annoys me. Sorry, rant over....

The wasted time with the DJ, that dick Rodman, drummers, dancers, poncing around were just horrid and Mauro Ranallo seemed to have an off-night. I really enjoy his work but he seemed to have trouble working with Goldberg and also seems to have forgotten or be ignorant of what a "Pyrrhic victory" actually is (Dong/Manhoef fight).

Inbetween the ropes - there was only only great fight (Dong/Manhoef) which I've already watched three times. Pickett-Tokoro was fun and the performances by Lesnar, Mighty Mo and Calvancanti (early stoppage) were impressive, even if some of their opponents were a bit, erm, disappointing.

Lesnar's chest tattoo is still fucking awful though.

Sakuraba-Royce delivered in a weird way. I expected a slow, dull fight that would be carried by the history and prestige of the two fighters. Once it was 3 x 5mins I couldn't imagine anything other than a fight that went the distance and I think in that one match the commentary team actually did a good job of putting across how important it was.

[aubtin]

Welcome aboard...I have seen you lurk for some time ;-)


And I really do wonder how this pole would read with people that attended the event only being able to vote (assuming we had 50 people here that attended) so we could hear from them. I haven`t read anything bad from someone there yet.

It would be interesting too to hear what FEG really think. If they had 35,000 asses in seats, free or not, I expect as a marketing exercise they would deem it as semi-successful (in combination with the TBS broadcast etc).

Cheers, didn't really have much to say until now!

With all the problems they had leading up to this, I think the fact that it wasn't a complete car crash, and that there were enough in attendance (comps or not) to at least look half decent on tv, is enough to market it as semi-successful.

[( o Y o )]

Cheers, didn't really have much to say until now!


Minor things like that have never let it stop us mate ;-)

[AKA]

3. It was kinda a disaster.

[migo]

http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/06/04/tuesday-talk-dynamite-in-japan/

It apparently turned a profit. I wouldn't call that a disaster. Good for MMA, we need something more than Zuffa in MMA.

[tiefling]

I can't help to think this show was nothing more then gaining the bragging rights of having run a show in the exotic US, PRIDE did it so now K-1 had to do it too. Then send a mission accomplished message back home to Japan, despite a really dubious show.

[Gutsy]

2: The production was killing me. Such a mess. Made it extremely hard to enjoy the fights. Half way through, I decided to watch something else between fights. Which actually did make me enjoy the event a little more (mute show between fights). Maybe 2 is a bit harsh hehe.

[migo]

I only watched the fights. That might have helped. I think I was mainly interested in it as competition for the UFC.

[tiefling]

Fightlinker had a funny video that covered the production pretty well.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x25yi0_k1-dynamite-sucked-balls

[FieldingMellish]

http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/06/04/tuesday-talk-dynamite-in-japan/

It apparently turned a profit. I wouldn't call that a disaster. Good for MMA, we need something more than Zuffa in MMA.

The only reason it wasn't a disaster and that's IF Zach Arnold of "10 reasons why Zuffa won't buy Pride" (even when practically everyone else on the inside knew they were) fame, is right, is because they have such great TV deals.

They'd make MORE money if they didn't piss so much away on grand gestures that undoubtedly lose a fortune on the live event and the pay-per-view.

[FieldingMellish]

I only watched the fights.

That would undoubtedly help. I just watched the fights first and then, because it was such a fascinating show, watched the whole thing to see how it played out as a pay-per-view.

Wish I'd just watched the fights now.

[( o Y o )]

The only reason it wasn't a disaster and that's IF Zach Arnold of "10 reasons why Zuffa won't buy Pride" (even when practically everyone else on the inside knew they were) fame, is right, is because they have such great TV deals.

Not to mention Softbank's money.

[Cracked_Knuckle]

I went with 5. Nice first effort and if they pollished dat shit up a bit it would have been a solid 7.5