Parisyan Vs. Sokoudjou

[Shiruba]

In an interview with nokaut.com in April Karo said:

For the record, I fought Sokoudjou in Judo before.

Justin (Nokaut): Oh yeah?

Karo: Yeah I beat him in Judo before, actually. He won the US Open in open-weight. After that I won against him. He won the US Open, which is a very, very big tournament. When he came to this country he said that nobody could beat him in Judo, and he was killing everybody. Then I went against him and he was like 260 [pounds], all muscle. His Judo gi is supposed to be loose so you can grip, but it was tight on his upper body. But he’s won a lot of good tournaments, a lot of big tournaments, he’s very strong- but it’s funny man, I see him fighting and I beat that guy in Judo. I was the first guy to beat him in the country actually.


Now the video is available.

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[majorcunningham]

how very interesting, cant imagine what a 260lbs sokoudjou would look lke though, he's a monster now...

[( o Y o )]

I have heard about this several times, but not seen the video before. Thanks for that!

[Global Honored]

WOW! The Heat is on fire!

[Charuto]

Well that's not really fair. Karo was a blue or black belt at the time while Sokou was only white.

Seriously though, that camera work was real lazy at the end. I had to watch it 3 times before I could figure out what happened. Any of you judo and/or grappling guys have anything to say about this?

[Shiruba]

Well that's not really fair. Karo was a blue or black belt at the time while Sokou was only white.

Seriously though, that camera work was real lazy at the end. I had to watch it 3 times before I could figure out what happened. Any of you judo and/or grappling guys have anything to say about this?
I think they were wearing those belts so that the ref could tell who was who, it is like that in general because both wore white gi's. I think both were black belts at the time. That is what I have read.

[AKA]

Very very nice, thx a lot.
I think that Sokou was already black belt, he won titles in africa before going to USA, he was even scheduled to fight at Olympics and beleive me, there is no white belt in the olympics! So I'm pretty sure they were both black belt. Interesting to know that Karo fought at HW in Judo!

[Shiruba]

Interesting to know that Karo fought at HW in Judo!
It was an open weight Judo match.

[Desdichado]

Interesting. Thanks.

[K-1 Extremist]

Watching Judo matches is like watching paint dry. I'll take a kickboxing exhibition to this any day.

[Grant Ellis]

I have to say, my heart goes out to Karo.

Having competed open weight in grappling, and being in against a natural like that, it does things to you mentally.

It's always good to see a fighter and their original discipline against someone we know.

[gols]

Can someone explain what it was that Karo actually did to win?

[Shiruba]

Can someone explain what it was that Karo actually did to win?
The referee shall announce "Ippon" when in his opinion an applied technique corresponds to the following criteria:

* (a) When a contestant with control throws the other contestant largely on his back with considerable force and speed.
* (b) When a contestant holds with osae-komi waza the other contestant, who is unable to get away for 30 seconds after the announcement of "Osae-komi".
* (c) When a contestant gives up by tapping twice or more with his hand or foot or says "Maitta" (I give up), generally as a result of a grappling technique, shime waza (strangle) or kansetsu waza (arm lock).
* (d) When the effect of a strangle technique or arm lock is sufficiently apparent.

Karo did (a).

[miscmisc]

Can someone explain what it was that Karo actually did to win?

It's a variation of Kuchiki-daoshi. It's considered one of the ugliest throws in judo (at least in Japan), since you have to use a hand to pick up you opponent's leg. It just doesn't look as clean or beautiful as most other throws. Incidentally, former Soviet judoka, especially the ones from Georgia, tend to use that waza a lot (and Armenia, where Karo is from, is right next to Georgia, ha).

Sokoudjou didn't do a thing in that match, although he probably outweighed Karo by a lot. Both received shido (a penalty) twice due to the lack of aggressiveness, and kakenige-chui (a heavier penalty) once due to an attempt to do a hopeless waza (so as to make it look like he is doing something), so that match was utter shit until the Kuchiki-daoshi ippon by Karo. But in an open weight match, it's usually the fault of the heavier guy that the match becomes "boring".

Sokoudjou being a world class judoka is a myth. His only achievement in judo is winning the US Open in 2001, which is a mickey mouse tournament in international judo. He didn't win any legit big African tournament either (it's almost always North Africans that win those tournaments). He bragged about beating Shinohara, a great Japanese judoka, but it was actually part of his demonstration. He did 12-nin nuki (12 opponents in a row), and Sokoudjou was the 8th or 9th guy. He was the only man who managed to beat Shinohara on decision, but Shinohara had already fought 7 or 8 opponents in a row at that point.

[miscmisc]

All in all, judo is a lot like K-1 in that anything that contains the words "the US" doesn't mean much. It's massively popular in France, so no wonder it's non-existent in the US. :)

It's just dominated by East Asians, Europeans and to some extent Cubans and Brazillians. I'm sure many UFC fans in the US think that Karo can beat Fedor in judo, but considering that Fedor was at one point one of the candidates to make the Russian national team (unless he is lying about that), that's just bloody unlikely. Georgians are the best among the former Soviets in judo, but Russians are no joke at all either (with their president being a black belt!). Much, much better than the USians, for sure.

[Shiruba]

Here is a good video if you want to see an elite judo player:

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[( o Y o )]

that's just bloody unlikely.

You MUST have done some study in Australia!!! lol

[miscmisc]

I can assure you that you'll never, ever see anyone like Koga until human beings perish on this planet. His ippon-zeoi is just a thing of beauty. You CANNOT execute such a perfect ippon-zeoi in so many serious matchs. Never.

[miscmisc]

You MUST have done some study in Australia!!! lol

I just love those "British" words like "bloody", "bollocks", "fuck all", "bugger all", "arse" and so on. Especially "bugger all", which a friend of mine whom I studied with (Englishman) used a lot. :)

[( o Y o )]

Hey...they are mostly Aussie phrases the dirty brits like Fielding will try to claim as their own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

[miscmisc]

And that said Englishman used to pick on this obnoxious Aussie guy when he was drunk, calling him Bruce Shagsheep or something, and at one night he was punched in the face. True story. LOL.

[AKA]

It was an open weight Judo match.
I thought Sokou did loose this fight vs Karo and then won the open weight title in the same competition, so I guess they meet in the regular tournament which is obviously HW due to Sokou weight. BTW I might be wrong, my english sucks homeless peoples balls.

[AKA]

It's massively popular in France, so no wonder it's non-existent in the US. :)
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lol

[majorcunningham]

And that said Englishman used to pick on this obnoxious Aussie guy when he was drunk, calling him Bruce Shagsheep or something, and at one night he was punched in the face. True story. LOL.

lol, i think you mean sheepshagger you bloody nit-wit :)

and boobs you're bordering on racism lately, wot did we honest british ever do to you? we cant even take a test match off u ozzies for fucks sake...

just watch it ok? I AM SCOUSE need i remind you, and i am not above sneakin my broke arse onto a 747, flyin to whatever little lame chinese island ur on and kickin u in the nuts without u ever knowing about it...

oh and id obviously steal ur wallet in true scouse fashion...

oh and please dont ban me, as that would constitute abuse of my human rights :)

[MZN]

Here is a good video if you want to see an elite judo player:

That is lovely stuff!

I like that Ko-uchi-maki-komi that is repeated a couple of times somewhere around half way. He camouflages it really nice as if he is going for a seoi nage or something.

I am especially interested in that throw because I have to know it for my green belt exam...

On topic:
That fight is indeed not the most exciting one :). And to be honest, I don't care too much about Sokoudjou's judo credentials :)....

[majorcunningham]

does sokoudjou have any striking credentials?

im just wondering coz i saw the fight that he lost today and he looked average at best... of course i realise he's beaten two of the very best in the business to contradict that but they're hardly top class strikers...

but then again he's only 22, barely older than i am...

ahhh, the enigma of sokoudjou...

[Oneiros]

Hey...they are mostly Aussie phrases the dirty brits like Fielding will try to claim as their own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

First you take the Ashes and now you're nicking our words. Oh how a strongly worded letter of complaint is in order. If only I hadn't lost my thesaurus.

[majorcunningham]

First you take the Ashes and now you're nicking our words. Oh how a strongly worded letter of complaint is in order. If only I hadn't lost my thesaurus.


come on, he's AUSTRAILIAN... he'll never know what thesaurus means... :)

[sandrey1]

The most importent thing in judo is the control of the grip. Soko looked like he don't know what he's doing and let the opponent weaker than him to take control of the grip

[FieldingMellish]

come on, he's AUSTRAILIAN... he'll never know what thesaurus means... :)

Maybe not. But the dirty rotten sod knows a thing or two about transportation and breaking the law....

Cheeky rotters, claiming our words for their own. Easy to see they're all descended from criminals.

Except ( o Y o )............. we all know he's just an exceptionally computer literate bunyip.

[majorcunningham]

lmao, i actually feel sorry for our cleavaged friend. he's had his character assasinated and he's not even been here to defend himself...

the british coalition reigns supreme over the ozzy chain gang...

WAR UK!!!!!

[( o Y o )]

LMFAO....typical fucking brits...they need to gang up four on one to feel tough. Bunch of (to use a brit term) scallywags.

[majorcunningham]

sorry dude, manchester united signed two world class players 2nite while liverpool (as usual) have signed no-one... so im depressed...

[FieldingMellish]

LMFAO....typical fucking brits...they need to gang up four on one to feel tough. Bunch of (to use a brit term) scallywags.

how dare you???

you rapscallion!

[MZN]

You should all shut you bunch of twerps!

[majorcunningham]

You should all shut you bunch of twerps!

Wat een prutser!

[( o Y o )]

Let me ask you Captian Cook descendants a question

Q. What is the height of optimism?

[( o Y o )]

A. An English batsman applying sunscreen.

[( o Y o )]

How do you know when a 747 full of Poms has just landed at Sydney Airport?

[( o Y o )]

The whineing doesn't stop when they turn off the engines!

[majorcunningham]

^^^^ lol, absolutly killed us

[FieldingMellish]

When their car broke down a Jew, an Indian and an Australian knocked on a farmer's door to ask for accommodation for the night.

"I only have room for two, one of you will have to sleep in the barn," said the farmer. "Alright, I will," said the Jew.

But 5 minutes later there was a knock at the door. "There's a pig in the barn, I can't sleep in there," said the Jew.

"Okay, I'll go," said the Indian.

Five minutes later there was a knock on the door. "There is an un-sacred cow in the barn," he said.

"No worries mate, I'll go," said the Australian.

Five minutes later there was yet another knock at the door. It was the pig and cow.

[MZN]

ROFL!

[majorcunningham]

lmao, so rooted in reality...

[Striker & Grappler]

does sokoudjou have any striking credentials?

im just wondering coz i saw the fight that he lost today and he looked average at best... of course i realise he's beaten two of the very best in the business to contradict that but they're hardly top class strikers...


ahhh, the enigma of sokoudjou...

Rogerio Minotauro won the Brazilain Heaveyweight boxing championship. I'd say that qualifies him as a top class striker---at least with his hands.

[Grant Ellis]

Rogerio Minotauro won the Brazilain Heaveyweight boxing championship. I'd say that qualifies him as a top class striker---at least with his hands.


At least someone had the balls to say it :X

Seeing him get KO'd like that hurt my brain though.

[heckyl]

Seeing him get KO'd like that hurt my brain though.

it made me go have some roffles and lmaonade.