Golden Glory supremacy in K-1 GP Osaka

[( o Y o )]

30 September 2006 Final elimination

Story Bas Boon en Lindsay Muro
Fotos Archief Golden Glory May be used for print

Some people call it karma others faith but what team Golden Glory did on September 30th 2006 had nothing to do with luck.
After Stefan Leko and Semmy Schilt were not to participate in 2003 in the K-1 GP finals (Stefan qualified by beating Fhilio at that time and Semmy defeated Bonjanski a few months before Bonjanski became first K-1 GP 2003 Champion) for political reasons, this revenge was sweat.
Nice for Remy Bonjanski but Semmy and Stefan defeated him both and had to watch from the side line how he became champion without their participation.
Semmy proved himself a thru K-1 Champion by winning all K-1 fights by KO in Paris 2005 to become K-1 GP Champion by defeating Ray Sefu and then Remy Bonjanski by KO in the first round, to finish the GP with another KO in the first round.
The year 2006 Chalid “ Die Faust” Arrab and Stefan “ The Blitz” Leko both won the K-1 GP qualification 8 men tournaments in las Vegas, Saki became K-1 Holland Finalist.
Golden Glory Breda and Golden Glory Zuid Laren were very much present at the most important qualification GP of the year 2006.
Semmy Schilt was not impressed by Bjorn Breggy from Switzerland who won the K-1 GP Holland qualification match in May 2006. At the press conference Breggy was only starring at Schilt and later Semmy said we will decide in the ring tomorrow who is the champion; you can look at me as long as you want. That’s exactly what Semmy did, with only two minutes into the fight Semmy (left jab from hell, yelled Dave Jonkers, Bas Boon and Jelle Waringa from the corner) left jab landed solid in the face of Breggy who takes an 8 count, two more time the terrible hard left is landing and after three knock downs it is over for Breggy (turned out his cheekbone and nose was broken). Winner by KO in round 1 Semmy Schilt advancing to the finals
The second Golden Glory fighter Stefan “ The Blitz” Leko training out of Breda Holland was facing a difficult task, he was fighting hard hitting Ray Sefu who knock out Karaev twice in the first round in the year 2006.
Leko had to fight against his nature his assignment was fighting in and out, not brawling with the man who has a huge bomb. This is exactly what Leko did, against his nature he won the decision in the extra round and finally the Blitz is back were he belong at a place with the final eight in the Tokyo Dome.
Huge pressure on the shoulders of third team member Chalid “Die Faust” Arrab, he is facing Mishmash in his home town and land, with all the judges and referees against him.
At the press conference Chalid told Mushashi that he was fighting two of him and that he would be all over him. Its easy to get assignments from your coach (master and legendary trainer Cor Hemmers who was also trainer and stepfather of the legendry Ramon Dekkers) but both Stefan and now Chalid did a wonderful job, Cor was playing a video game (which was funny as he was wearing a t-shirt of sponsor tomb raider video game) also Chalid kept his game plan and it worked. Mushashi was getting hit and he was under pressure constantly, with die Faust looking for the Knock Out. Every round was for Die Faust Chalid, but we are in Japan and even a caution for holding in the third round for Mushashi was not rewarded with the famous yellow card. However Mushashi was speared an extra round and the humiliation of getting knocked out. Chalid wins the decision and is the third fighter from Golden Glory Holland to advance to the finals in the Tokyo Dome.
Never before in the history of K-1 it happened that three fighters from the same team entered the finals.
This is sure not the last thing we heard from this golden glory team, Congratulations to the whole team, this GG performance made history. Now we hope that one of the team members will draw ball number 1 for the drawing and that if they have to fight against each other it will only be in the finals.
Revenge is a sweet thing, sometimes you have to wait years, but when it happens you can ask yourself if there is somebody upstairs looking down upon us, karma, gods, faith, personally I think it is blood sweat and tears and pure determination. Never give up in life no matter what, sooner or later we climb up the hill we felt from and that’s exactly what happened to this Golden Glory team. Life can be so beautiful!!!!

[unicorn]

I remember I wrote for the last year a thread like "worst K-1 nightmare". The end of the scenario was that two fighters of Golden Glory meet in the finals whilst Tanigawa commits seppuku. Hhhhh. (Sorry for laughing at my own little jokes).

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

I like the GG fighters. Too bad Bas Boon goes around spitting venom on their behalf. He makes Badr Hari look like a gentleman sportsman.

The troubles in the beginning ("politics") were K-1 responding to Boon's abrasive nature and black hat negotiations.

I like all three GG fighters but I catch myself cheering against them whenever they fight. Sem is an exception because he is the most mistreated by the K-1.

At last years press conference after Sem won the GP title, one reporter asked who Semmy wanted to fight next. Bas interuppted and blurted out the one worst thing anyone could say, "Mike Tyson". If I had a gun, I would have shot myself in the head.

[Dado]

At last years press conference after Sem won the GP title, one reporter asked who Semmy wanted to fight next. Bas interuppted and blurted out the one worst thing anyone could say, "Mike Tyson". If I had a gun, I would have shot myself in the head.

Oh my........wow.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Maybe not if there were bullets in the gun... LOL.

[Dado]

I was actually referring to Bas Boon's comments lol

[( o Y o )]

At last years press conference after Sem won the GP title, one reporter asked who Semmy wanted to fight next. Bas interuppted and blurted out the one worst thing anyone could say, "Mike Tyson". If I had a gun, I would have shot myself in the head.

What do you call that knee?

"Um...a knee"

LOL

While I agree with you 100%, you really must admit sometimes if Bas did not step in for Sem, then Sem would have been voted out long ago.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Climbing Beast was already taken... so what could Semmy call it?

Semmy is just shy. In the pre GP press conference he said two words before putting the microphone down. Peter Aerts gave him the WTF look and Semmy went beet red and hung his head.

Anyway, unfortunately for Semmy, his shyness and good nature have made it easy for the K-1 to rip him off with the yellow cards in Aukland and on the judges cards in Seoul.

His next fight is against a guy who gets the opposite kind of bias. JLB had a KO loss overturned to an NC and a decision loss changed to an appeal win. Tight decisions (Choi) go his way and when it is mathematically impossible to give him the win (Botha) he gets the overtime round. JLB has unquestionable preferred status, so I have to cheer for his opponent.

[LethalSassonic]

Climbing Beast was already taken... so what could Semmy call it?

Semmy is just shy. In the pre GP press conference he said two words before putting the microphone down. Peter Aerts gave him the WTF look and Semmy went beet red and hung his head.

Anyway, unfortunately for Semmy, his shyness and good nature have made it easy for the K-1 to rip him off with the yellow cards in Aukland and on the judges cards in Seoul.

His next fight is against a guy who gets the opposite kind of bias. JLB had a KO loss overturned to an NC and a decision loss changed to an appeal win. Tight decisions (Choi) go his way and when it is mathematically impossible to give him the win (Botha) he gets the overtime round. JLB has unquestionable preferred status, so I have to cheer for his opponent.

Good point, but Aerts got a JD over JLB last year...but that's Aerts!

[Dado]

I like that Schilt is a real gentleman.

This is a comment I really liked from the Elims press conference:

Defending Champion Semmy Schilt of Holland will face this year's Europe GP Champion, Bjorn Bregy of Switzerland. Bregy put a major stare-down on Schilt when the two posed for the photographers here, an intimidating tactic Schilt simply ignored.

Schilt: "He stared at me so what? I can stare back but that doesn't solve anything -- tomorrow we will decide. I'm happy to be here, and will do my best!"

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

He then proceeded to break bones in Bregy's face...

He is a nice guy before and after fights for sure. I'm just glad I'm not in the ring from the opening bell to the ending bell.

[Dado]

But he summed it up "I can stare back but that doesent solve anything."

Hes a no bullshit kind of guy definately.

I wonder if Bas Boon will make him dress like Hari and rap his way to the ring to increase his appeal?

[LethalSassonic]

Schilt is a humble and shy guy, I'm sure K-1 wants him to be either more vocal and likeable or more like a villiain, right now perhaps some fans don't know how to categorize him, or how to feel about him...Well, he kicks ass in the ring, isn't that the bottome line?

[unicorn]

Many guys just don't have PR skills. That doesn't mean that sport has to become a "who's attracting attention" stuff. It's not Eurovision, damn :)

[( o Y o )]

That doesn't mean that sport has to become a "who's attracting attention" stuff.

Well, actually it does. If K-1 cannot sell tickets, you are not going to get many fights, or a close JD is likely not going to go your way. You don't need to be a PR machine, but someone as interesting (to the public) as a cardboard cutout is not going to get a fair deal.

[MZN]

It is a futility but misspelling all the gg fighters opponents wrongly and making his fighters and team look like gods in a way even Joe Rogan can look up to bugs me in that statement....

[Wheelie]

http://forum.kakutougi.info/showthread.php?t=6242

;)

[( o Y o )]

LOL...sorry....I plead stupidity due to still be in Osaka, drunk, when your thread went up.

[unicorn]

Boobs, football doesn't get its rules spoiled by the need to prompt (say) Barcelona with a convenient way to attract attention. Tennis never saw (say) Boris Becker protected by sudden change of rules and by idiotic conception of matchmaking and reffing AND Becker attracted his (quite huge) toll of attention. I didn't say sport should not be marketed. I say that the more that marketing means to sell refrigerators in Alaska and sand in Sahara they should stop thinking "easy way, easy money, fuck all the rest of the fighters, let them live or die, they are but gladiator slaves" AND put some work behind selling image of those who are true added value to the show quality. They pampered Sapp until it seemed like they would ask Kakuda to suck him at the lockers. Some people there diserve more...

[( o Y o )]

Boobs, football doesn't get its rules spoiled by the need to prompt (say) Barcelona with a convenient way to attract attention.

Yet Italy still gets caught for match-fixing.

Boobs, football doesn't get its rules spoiled by the need to prompt (say) Barcelona with a convenient way to attract attention. Tennis never saw (say) Boris Becker protected by sudden change of rules and by idiotic conception of matchmaking and reffing AND Becker attracted his (quite huge) toll of attention. I didn't say sport should not be marketed.

You can hardly compare hugely established and accepted sports, some of which are team sports, with a minor sport that many look at rather negatively. Even in Japan the "normal" people dislike violence.....K-1 got big in large because of its characters.

They pampered Sapp until it seemed like they would ask Kakuda to suck him at the lockers. Some people there diserve more...

Sapp gave them A LOT to work with. They built him up but he worked his ass off to get where he was as well. This i my point....fighters not willing to take that extra step are going to be limiting themselves as they will be limiting their ticket selling power. To the other extreme, those going out of their way to attract attention, even negative attention like Hari, will be getting called back regularly if for no other reason than it assures K-1 they will be getting lots of free press.

[unicorn]

OyO, with respect :

- You confound marketing with sales. These two are different concepts although they generate somehow eachother.
- You don't seem to notice that it's impossible to establish a sport, the more that it's new on the market, without respecting as sharp as possible a concept called brand equity

Sapp does sales. Sapp yet is NOT marketable. This is a gross confusion leading finally to :
Brand equity depreciation goes into ruining the product's individuality. If you sale second hand Renault cars under the brand of Mercedes you might be tremendously successful, do a lot of money etc. Yet you ruined Mercedes. Doing sales of whatever at the cost of your brand becoming irrecognizable from a lousy business is not marketing, in fact, marketing is not related to sales but to establishing the public mentality into recognizing a brand. Coca Cola has ingredients worth less than 1 cent of a $ per bottle, yet people were induced into buying the concept annex to this cheap chemistry. The fact that they pretend the recipe is top secret and issue stories in the press is again marketing. If I start (as Coca Cola manager) to mix (say) Fanta into the product I might sell the concept, yet in terms of marketing I merely ruined the whole heap of work which was needed to establish Coca Cola as a brand.

Sapp is "palatable" for the public but will never ever be a fighter. K-1 eternal mix of rules is "allegedly" palatable for the public (this is partially wise, because they really don't want to be confounded with Muay Thai) but changing rules from a day to another and even not making the same the rules of two consecutive matches in the same event is not palatable, is just confusing.
Schilt is not making sales. "The" mission of a marketing agent is not to add Coca Cola into the "unicorn cola" (haha) just to make the mix more palatable (unicorn cola being in fact mineral water of a stinky resource). The job of a marketing agent is to make Schilt as palatable as Sapp the more that he is a good fighter. Prostitution does money in heaps, yet forcing Naomi Campbell to make sex for money is not marketing. As they work now, k-1 are not marketing the sport. They are just selling inside a niche, and don't seem to give a f**k about deprecating the whole system.

[unicorn]

To be less complicated : marketing does NOT mean to take something already easy to sell and sell it. This is sales. Marketing yet does the difference between convincing a guy to buy a car because it's affordable and ok for the purposes and convincing a guy to buy a luxury sedan at 5X the cost because it has palisander steering wheel and stuff. At the origin each top model girl was an annonimous bitch. They are "marketable" because of how they look but this is only neccessary not enough. I bet there are at least 100 girls in the world as nice and tallented as Naomi Campbell (and all the 100 are afro not asian, to make the thing specific :) ) Yet the ones who chose Naomi instead of others took care to make evident some things which make only Naomi marketable as top model once public mentality was appropriatedly induced to know and think some things about her. But then maybe I am a stupid idealist. And by the way, I hate Naomi's style. :P

[El Presidente]

At the origin each top model girl was an annonimous bitch. They are "marketable" because of how they look but this is only neccessary not enough. I bet there are at least 100 girls in the world as nice and tallented as Naomi Campbell (and all the 100 are afro not asian, to make the thing specific :) ) Yet the ones who chose Naomi instead of others took care to make evident some things which make only Naomi marketable as top model once public mentality was appropriatedly induced to know and think some things about her. But then maybe I am a stupid idealist. And by the way, I hate Naomi's style. :P

Naomi slept her way to the top. Unfortunately she's built up a formidable portfolio along the way. I still maintain she is overrated. Gemma Ward any day.

[unicorn]

Naomi slept her way to the top. Unfortunately she's built up a formidable portfolio along the way. I still maintain she is overrated. Gemma Ward any day.

El Presidente, you only confirm what I say although from different angle. There would be other 1000 looking and able to act more or less like Naomi, yet they are still whores not top model. K-1 is turning top models into whores. That is sales. Marketing would (at least in my dream) do the opposite.

[( o Y o )]

Sapp does sales. Sapp yet is NOT marketable.

LOL....I think something near 1000 Japanese companies would disagree with you there. Sapp was good for sales as he marketed himself very well, as well as having K-1 behind him. He just about single-handedly started the kakutougi boom or 2002/2003 and dragged K-1 out of somewhat of a slide post Hug.


Brand equity depreciation goes into ruining the product's individuality. If you sale second hand Renault cars under the brand of Mercedes you might be tremendously successful, do a lot of money etc. Yet you ruined Mercedes.

Thats a bit simplistic a view. If Renault cars were THE ONLY CAR for sale and their cheapest shittiest car was marketed as luxury then people would believe it and buy it as a luxury car and happily drive it around and boast about owning one to their friends. You keep talking from the point of view where you have some comparative product with which you can look at K-1`s slide in quality, but when they simply don`t have any competition what they have managed to achieve is actually brad recognition.

To be less complicated : marketing does NOT mean to take something already easy to sell and sell it. This is sales. Marketing yet does the difference between convincing a guy to buy a car because it's affordable and ok for the purposes and convincing a guy to buy a luxury sedan at 5X the cost because it has palisander steering wheel and stuff.

Rather like convincing the average japanese female to tune into watching the rather violent and bloody K-1, rather than tuning into the latest Korean drama with some feminine, though supposedly dead-sexy heart-throb in the lead role.

Sadly K-1`s rivals are not other kakutougi orgs. Their rivals are variety shows and drama....socially accepted programs full of interesting and good looking individuals.

[unicorn]

A precision (this time somehow according to your comments):

Sapp does sales. Sapp yet is NOT marketable.

I wrote this in terms of : Sapp can make a promotion marketable when competing with a soap opera for tv audience (exactly your point). But Sapp doesn't make authentic sport marketable, and imo will never do.
K-1 acts as if they are poor scared and solutionless little innocent beings forced like into a gang rape into such "options". I think we should know better !

Back to the core of the discussion, you can imagine I sincerely sympathise with the arguments that the sport is new, poor, not established, subject to pressure from idiotic sponsors (I put money inside only if... and if...)
What irritates the piss of myself is that anytime when such complaints rise, there is invariably a chorus of tragic Greek theater fashion like the poor K-1 guys are constrained into accepting this, that they actually grind their teeth in anger that they have to make compromises, and that, would one and only alternative exist, we can credit them fully with the wholeheartedness of chosing something else. Santa Madonna ! I bet that when they changed the n-th time the rules to impair Schilt and allow that abominable victory of Choi, Tanigawa and Kakuda had a tv company sending their men in black with a machine gun upon them. C'mon... Poor little scared promoters ! Tv and the cruel public : bad, bad, bad puddycat ! :) :) :)

[Mago]

Hehehe, I hear you Unicorn, and completely agree with most of these explanation points... Basicly a lot of not-so-educated fans as yourself did got this same meaning when they yelled Bob Sapp was "ruining the sport".

I can also understand the view in which K1 may SEEM as a poor company doing everything they can to survive, and just barely. I think they are a lot more agressive than that, regarding their own fate. But (oYo) do have an interesting point when he says K1 is not competing in his category, he is competing with entities socially stabilished and heavily marketed and spread into the general tv viewer's life, be it movies, tv shows or tv novels, etc. The only place in the world where MT is a "public" sport (in the sense it's considered of public interest, like football/soccer in western countries) is in Thailand, and I can see the role the Sapp mania had in their plans to bring GENERAL public interest to K1, as a single "product" and not the representant of a whole sport (which is, to all effects, non-existant outside the fighting fans niche).

I guess we can only hope this whole thing will indeed do good things for MT/Kickboxing/Karate worlds in the future, even if inderectly.

[unicorn]

Well, yes, pls., credit me (at least more than K-1) that I am not an arrogant purist. Of course I understand the points of view raised (I also credit oyo for not liking what he sees as arguable, but just being realistic).
Nevertheless it goes to the same: pro ring sports are in bad need of a serious marketing conception. It is not the "greatness" of the brand in itself which makes the product marketable. A good new idea looks poor to the utmost majority of the profan public, and even worse, to the conservative insiders.
To give an alien example - the French academy wrote on the application of French pioneer of flight Bleriot : "the flight with machines heavier than air is a chymera". Baloons and zeppelins were well errrm... marketable. Yet we fly on such chymeras only 4 generations after whilst baloons are marketable as advertising for K-1 shows :)

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Marketing is price, place, promotion and product. Sapp has had a clear effect on all 4 elements of the K-1 event business.

[unicorn]

Marketing is price, place, promotion and product. Sapp has had a clear effect on all 4 elements of the K-1 event business.

Yes, and he is altering the product identity. I didn't imply he doesn't sell. I implied he is a different product identity although looks the same to the first sight.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

I guess if we are going to get into a discuss about the differences between salable and marketable, we are going to need either MBAs or lots of beer. I suggest we go for the beer. Not only does it make you smarter but it also makes the women look better.

[unicorn]

Felix, it happens to me to be intellectually arrogant, but I didn't plunge into this just 4 the sake. Sapp model harmed a lot the sport. Last time when it happened to me to have people threatening violence if a decision was not changed (!) was last Friday. The object of the protest : there was an event and the promoter decided to make it more "marketable" by "selling-in" a couple of fat walruses who were "famous" (read : known by the gray area) in the city. They obviously came to the opponents trying to "buy a dive". Guess what was the reply of the promoter when I protested that such a thing spoils the sport : "Look at K-1, they make heaps of cash with Sapp". The difference was that his budget was kinda 3000 E. Hhhhhh...

[( o Y o )]

According to a one-liner in a text I happened to be using yesterday, "sales is preoccupied with the seller's need to convert his product into cash; marketing with the idea of satisfying the needs of the customer..."

With that in mind, understand that we are NOT the customer K-1 is aiming to satisfy and things may be a bit clearer to some.

Lets remember, it is FEG, not FG.

unicorn, your example is of a promoter who obviously does not know his own market, so you can hardly blame FEG for his stupidity. As I mentioned, when FEG shows are on air they are competing with comedy, drama, variety and music shows all with the hottest and trendiest Japanese celebrities filling the screen. For some reason, I don`t think the show you used as an example was competing in a similar market.

And on a side note, and no offense, but I am getting pretty sick of this shit about FEG bringing in the no clinch rule this year to stop Sem. I wouldn`t mind if people STUCK with this, but when you see the same people then turn around in MAX threads and say it was brought in to stop Buakaw it gets a bit annoying. Lets remember a couple of things here.....firstly that the original version of this rule came in after a very boring Semmy vs McDonald fight way back. Secondly, the rule can be argued as a completely successful addition if the last MAX GP which had perhaps the highest number of exciting fights ever in one GP, and finally that going by the last couple of events in both MAX and K-1 it seems the fighters have finally got it as there were very few warnings needed to be given for the infraction, and no "boring" fights due to excessive clinching.

[mastermind]

I like the GG fighters. Too bad Bas Boon goes around spitting venom on their behalf. He makes Badr Hari look like a gentleman sportsman.

The troubles in the beginning ("politics") were K-1 responding to Boon's abrasive nature and black hat negotiations.

I like all three GG fighters but I catch myself cheering against them whenever they fight. Sem is an exception because he is the most mistreated by the K-1.

At last years press conference after Sem won the GP title, one reporter asked who Semmy wanted to fight next. Bas interuppted and blurted out the one worst thing anyone could say, "Mike Tyson". If I had a gun, I would have shot myself in the head.

I have been training a few times with Golden Glory and mostly Bas Boon was there (training with the guys).
I know the story you referred, but you are very wrong.
It was Leko who did not wanted to sign a two year deal before the K-1 finals in 2003, it was K-1 who blackmailed the fighter not Bas.
Bas even told Leko to call himself and offer to come alone without Bas (Bas knew he would be played by K-1), K-1 refused.
Semmy was still under contract with Pride so they did not want him as a champion as he just beat Bonjansky.
It was Bas who is the only manager who was fighting with GG fighters in both organisations
Leko himself choose for Bom Baye and Pride (Bas paid money out of his pocked to pay all fighters when promoter from Bom Baye took the money and did not pay nobody).
It was Bas who got Stefan and Chalid back by K-1, while they were still having a contract with Pride.
Golden Glory is doing fabulous, Leko had a double hernia when fighting in pride and had huge back problems.
Bas Boon was also with Stefan Leko in Vegas when Stefan fought Bonjansky, jezus you are bad informed. Leko was sick there and had antibiotics before the fight.
If you don’t like Bas Boon don’t spread garbage if you don’t know what happened, I can arrange a meeting so you can meet him in person, you will see that he is very ok !

[( o Y o )]

If you don’t like Bas Boon don’t spread garbage if you don’t know what happened, I can arrange a meeting so you can meet him in person, you will see that he is very ok !

I have met and spoken with Bas a few times and always found him to be pleasent and friendly in person. He knows the deal with K-1 way better than most give him credit for though, and K-1 doesn't exactly hide their feelings about him.

I believe at the champions press conference his introduction went something like "After hearing from the humble champion, Semmy, it is time to listen to comments from his loudmouth manager who is sure to say something controversial"

Welcome aboard too.

[Cracked_Knuckle]

I have been training a few times with Golden Glory and mostly Bas Boon was there (training with the guys).
I know the story you referred, but you are very wrong.
It was Leko who did not wanted to sign a two year deal before the K-1 finals in 2003, it was K-1 who blackmailed the fighter not Bas.
Bas even told Leko to call himself and offer to come alone without Bas (Bas knew he would be played by K-1), K-1 refused.
Semmy was still under contract with Pride so they did not want him as a champion as he just beat Bonjansky.
It was Bas who is the only manager who was fighting with GG fighters in both organisations
Leko himself choose for Bom Baye and Pride (Bas paid money out of his pocked to pay all fighters when promoter from Bom Baye took the money and did not pay nobody).
It was Bas who got Stefan and Chalid back by K-1, while they were still having a contract with Pride.
Golden Glory is doing fabulous, Leko had a double hernia when fighting in pride and had huge back problems.
Bas Boon was also with Stefan Leko in Vegas when Stefan fought Bonjansky, jezus you are bad informed. Leko was sick there and had antibiotics before the fight.
If you don’t like Bas Boon don’t spread garbage if you don’t know what happened, I can arrange a meeting so you can meet him in person, you will see that he is very ok !

It s a interesting to hear the other sid of things too. Good post.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

I have been training a few times with Golden Glory and mostly Bas Boon was there (training with the guys).
I know the story you referred, but you are very wrong.
It was Leko who did not wanted to sign a two year deal before the K-1 finals in 2003, it was K-1 who blackmailed the fighter not Bas.
Bas even told Leko to call himself and offer to come alone without Bas (Bas knew he would be played by K-1), K-1 refused.
Semmy was still under contract with Pride so they did not want him as a champion as he just beat Bonjansky.
It was Bas who is the only manager who was fighting with GG fighters in both organisations
Leko himself choose for Bom Baye and Pride (Bas paid money out of his pocked to pay all fighters when promoter from Bom Baye took the money and did not pay nobody).
It was Bas who got Stefan and Chalid back by K-1, while they were still having a contract with Pride.
Golden Glory is doing fabulous, Leko had a double hernia when fighting in pride and had huge back problems.
Bas Boon was also with Stefan Leko in Vegas when Stefan fought Bonjansky, jezus you are bad informed. Leko was sick there and had antibiotics before the fight.
If you don’t like Bas Boon don’t spread garbage if you don’t know what happened, I can arrange a meeting so you can meet him in person, you will see that he is very ok !

I have met him in person. He never said any of what you are saying now. All I had to listen to was Bas talking crap about other fighters. He was nice enough to me though.

My information may or may not be correct. But most if it comes from Bas' own PR efforts. Have you read that stuff? I'm not responsible for interpreting his hate mail as anything other that what it is.

Before you leap to his rescue, you might want to read some of his PR pieces. They are pretty nasty for someone inside the game.

[mastermind]

I have met him in person. He never said any of what you are saying now. All I had to listen to was Bas talking crap about other fighters. He was nice enough to me though.

My information may or may not be correct. But most if it comes from Bas' own PR efforts. Have you read that stuff? I'm not responsible for interpreting his hate mail as anything other that what it is.

Before you leap to his rescue, you might want to read some of his PR pieces. They are pretty nasty for someone inside the game.

I do not really understand what you mean? You said in your first e-mail Bas was spitting venom and he was bad for the golden glory team. Bas invented the team together with Ron Ny qvist, so what do you mean? Which fighters did he talk about?
You write that your information may or not be correct; don’t you thrust your own source?
He was nice to you but talked shit about other fighters, why? And who, so your impression is that he is nice to you but talks trash about other fighters?
Which hate mail? Which pr pieces? Please give some samples.
What is pretty nasty for someone inside the game?
I think your post is vague. You should tell Bas Boon when you see him next time, what he does wrong.
As for a manager, he is the only manager I know who posts pr promotion stories on the web and martial arts magazines, TV etc.
It sounds to me that you are quit impressed by Mr Boon and the Golden Glory team, maybe a little jealous?
I called his store in Holland Nikko Sports, they gave me an interesting detail, check it out: http://www.nikko-sportsvideo.com/history/
That link will be posted on the www.goldenglory.com web site
I do not know any other manager who created a web site in English and Japanese from their team.
http://www.badguysthemovie.com/bboon.html
http://www.paradigmeg.com/pictures.htm
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1940705/
I have this information from Hammerkick Dirk Stal (posting many pictures and behind the scene stories) an old friend of Bas Boon, so now you know my source. Hopefully you can tell me yours.
I do not rescue Bas Boon; I guess he just does very well for him and the people who are involved with him.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

I see a distinction between the truth and trust. My source is Bas himself either from things I've heard him say and things I've read that have been signed by him.

Is he good for Golden Glory? Yeah. I'd go as far as saying his is one of the best at what he does.

Bas' writings are public. I could do the research thing, but I'm hoping someone else will be interested and dig it up.

The last PR piece had every K-1 fighter's name misspelled except his own fighters. He then talked trash about anyone his fighters came in contact with, especially Remy. He hides none of his distaste for Remy. It is just wrong. Remy is a record holder K-1 Champ.

I'm not jealous of Bas and his team. I wish them all the best. They have done a lot for the sport. I just think Bas is an ass for targeting guys who work their butts off for his dark criticism even if is in the best interest of promoting his team.

[mastermind]

I see a distinction between the truth and trust. My source is Bas himself either from things I've heard him say and things I've read that have been signed by him.

Is he good for Golden Glory? Yeah. I'd go as far as saying his is one of the best at what he does.

Bas' writings are public. I could do the research thing, but I'm hoping someone else will be interested and dig it up.

The last PR piece had every K-1 fighter's name misspelled except his own fighters. He then talked trash about anyone his fighters came in contact with, especially Remy. He hides none of his distaste for Remy. It is just wrong. Remy is a record holder K-1 Champ.

I'm not jealous of Bas and his team. I wish them all the best. They have done a lot for the sport. I just think Bas is an ass for targeting guys who work their butts off for his dark criticism even if is in the best interest of promoting his team.

Again

Which PR piece are you talking about? Which piece is he talking bad about Remy? Could you quote from this piece?
The only thing I red in his last PR story about Golden Glory is that K-1 for political reasons did not have Semmy participate in the tournament, after he beat Remy and that Remy became the champ that year. Which piece is the that dark criticism you talk about (please quote)?
Which guys are you talking about ( Bas is an ass for targeting guys who work their butts off)?, Remy?

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Sorry, I couldn't find it. I did look around but you know how it is. Information disappears.

I've been following this sport for a long time and Bas is the only guy in a management position I have ever met who says disparaging things about other teams fighters. Igor, Dixon, Vos, Andre, Steve, etc none of them do it. Even Winters bites his tongue (although he can be vocal if anyone ducks Gary!)

If you are close to Bas, teach him one simple rule: never say anything nasty about other fighters. It is just common manners. He is a fighter manager, not a sherdogger.

[mastermind]

Sorry, I couldn't find it. I did look around but you know how it is. Information disappears.

I've been following this sport for a long time and Bas is the only guy in a management position I have ever met who says disparaging things about other teams fighters. Igor, Dixon, Vos, Andre, Steve, etc none of them do it. Even Winters bites his tongue (although he can be vocal if anyone ducks Gary!)

If you are close to Bas, teach him one simple rule: never say anything nasty about other fighters. It is just common manners. He is a fighter manager, not a sherdogger.

You should quote next time before you accuse somebody before the information disappeared.
If anybody is know for spitting venom it is Winters on his own site, Bas revealed his post on mixfight.nl were Winters was spitting venom under another name. Bas became famous on the Dutch forum, because he revealed the truth about Winters what everybody thought and knew.
Dixon and Bas are friends, he also has a good bounding with Andre.
On the Dutch forums it has been said that Vos stole for years from Ernesto and that is why they broke up, everybody knows this in Holland and that news was not told by Bas.
Bas and Steve even did business and I know that Steve and Dixon have no beef with Bas and Bas not with them. You are saying that he is disparaging about other fighters, but Dixon has only one, Ray Sefo, he recently played in a movie produced by Bas Boon, Bad Guys. Bas and Sefo are good friends.
Bas was invited by Dixon in New Zealand and was invited recently again by Dixon.
Vos has completely disappeared from the fighting business and lost all fighters, I guess he did do something wrong, but it was not Bas who was responsible for this. Igor had a fighter named Ignashov and if there is any manager in the world who talked shit not even about other fighters but his own fighter, it is Igor. Quote “oh Ignashov never trains, oh he is drunk again, oh he never prepares” I know in Vegas Igor gambled $1000.- on Stefan Leko instead of his own fighter Ignashov.
I will forward Bas these post, I think he will laugh about this. Please next time reveal a source and quote before your information disappears.
Lets just promote fighters and managers instead of gossip and rumours, especially by doing this without a source, it makes you look like a sherdogger (to use your own words)

[( o Y o )]

If anybody is know for spitting venom it is Winters on his own site

Oh SNAP!

**Bites tongue HARD**

LOL

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Hey Mastermind,
Why on Earth do you think I would from this opinion? I have nothing else against Bas but his fighter bashing. I didn't make it up about anyone else.

You have been online for about a week now. If you want to research Bas Boon and the source of his image, you will have to do it yourself. If you really are close to Bas, ask him if he has a file on his PC with copies of his press releases. It ain't my job.

Gossip and rumors are different. I read Bas's releases with my own eyes.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Hey look what I found in the opening post. A PR release by Bas.
Every fighter's name outside his own team is mispelled: Fhilio, Bonjanski, Sefu, Breggy, Mushashi, etc.

Here are some interesting quotes:
"Nice for Remy Bonjanski but Semmy and Stefan defeated him both and had to watch from the side line how he became champion without their participation. Semmy proved himself a thru K-1 Champion..."
"Semmy Schilt was not impressed by Bjorn Breggy from Switzerland who won the K-1 GP Holland qualification match in May 2006."
"Mushashi was speared an extra round and the humiliation of getting knocked out."
"Revenge is a sweet thing..."

Below is the original text. Tell me that doesn't make you want to see these guys fall. At least they present themselves as sportsmen.


Some people call it karma others faith but what team Golden Glory did on September 30th 2006 had nothing to do with luck.
After Stefan Leko and Semmy Schilt were not to participate in 2003 in the K-1 GP finals (Stefan qualified by beating Fhilio at that time and Semmy defeated Bonjanski a few months before Bonjanski became first K-1 GP 2003 Champion) for political reasons, this revenge was sweat.
Nice for Remy Bonjanski but Semmy and Stefan defeated him both and had to watch from the side line how he became champion without their participation.
Semmy proved himself a thru K-1 Champion by winning all K-1 fights by KO in Paris 2005 to become K-1 GP Champion by defeating Ray Sefu and then Remy Bonjanski by KO in the first round, to finish the GP with another KO in the first round.
The year 2006 Chalid “ Die Faust” Arrab and Stefan “ The Blitz” Leko both won the K-1 GP qualification 8 men tournaments in las Vegas, Saki became K-1 Holland Finalist.
Golden Glory Breda and Golden Glory Zuid Laren were very much present at the most important qualification GP of the year 2006.
Semmy Schilt was not impressed by Bjorn Breggy from Switzerland who won the K-1 GP Holland qualification match in May 2006. At the press conference Breggy was only starring at Schilt and later Semmy said we will decide in the ring tomorrow who is the champion; you can look at me as long as you want. That’s exactly what Semmy did, with only two minutes into the fight Semmy (left jab from hell, yelled Dave Jonkers, Bas Boon and Jelle Waringa from the corner) left jab landed solid in the face of Breggy who takes an 8 count, two more time the terrible hard left is landing and after three knock downs it is over for Breggy (turned out his cheekbone and nose was broken). Winner by KO in round 1 Semmy Schilt advancing to the finals
The second Golden Glory fighter Stefan “ The Blitz” Leko training out of Breda Holland was facing a difficult task, he was fighting hard hitting Ray Sefu who knock out Karaev twice in the first round in the year 2006.
Leko had to fight against his nature his assignment was fighting in and out, not brawling with the man who has a huge bomb. This is exactly what Leko did, against his nature he won the decision in the extra round and finally the Blitz is back were he belong at a place with the final eight in the Tokyo Dome.
Huge pressure on the shoulders of third team member Chalid “Die Faust” Arrab, he is facing Mishmash in his home town and land, with all the judges and referees against him.
At the press conference Chalid told Mushashi that he was fighting two of him and that he would be all over him. Its easy to get assignments from your coach (master and legendary trainer Cor Hemmers who was also trainer and stepfather of the legendry Ramon Dekkers) but both Stefan and now Chalid did a wonderful job, Cor was playing a video game (which was funny as he was wearing a t-shirt of sponsor tomb raider video game) also Chalid kept his game plan and it worked. Mushashi was getting hit and he was under pressure constantly, with die Faust looking for the Knock Out. Every round was for Die Faust Chalid, but we are in Japan and even a caution for holding in the third round for Mushashi was not rewarded with the famous yellow card. However Mushashi was speared an extra round and the humiliation of getting knocked out. Chalid wins the decision and is the third fighter from Golden Glory Holland to advance to the finals in the Tokyo Dome.
Never before in the history of K-1 it happened that three fighters from the same team entered the finals.
This is sure not the last thing we heard from this golden glory team, Congratulations to the whole team, this GG performance made history. Now we hope that one of the team members will draw ball number 1 for the drawing and that if they have to fight against each other it will only be in the finals.
Revenge is a sweet thing, sometimes you have to wait years, but when it happens you can ask yourself if there is somebody upstairs looking down upon us, karma, gods, faith, personally I think it is blood sweat and tears and pure determination. Never give up in life no matter what, sooner or later we climb up the hill we felt from and that’s exactly what happened to this Golden Glory team. Life can be so beautiful!!!!

[unicorn]

Mishmash was "sweet" :)

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

This piece was actually written when Bas was in a good mood. He is celebrating GG success. Some the things he wrote in 2003 were much harsher.

[mastermind]

Hey Mastermind,
Why on Earth do you think I would from this opinion? I have nothing else against Bas but his fighter bashing. I didn't make it up about anyone else.

You have been online for about a week now. If you want to research Bas Boon and the source of his image, you will have to do it yourself. If you really are close to Bas, ask him if he has a file on his PC with copies of his press releases. It ain't my job.

Gossip and rumors are different. I read Bas's releases with my own eyes.

Were does Bas do any fighter bashing in the story you mentioned?
Yes he did made mistakes in the fighter names, but is that fighters bashing?
I do not have to do any research about Bas Boon, as I do not talk or publish thrash about him on the internet.

Your quote: Here are some interesting quotes:
"Nice for Remy Bonjanski but Semmy and Stefan defeated him both and had to watch from the side line how he became champion without their participation. Semmy proved himself a thru K-1 Champion..."
"Semmy Schilt was not impressed by Bjorn Breggy from Switzerland who won the K-1 GP Holland qualification match in May 2006."
"Mushashi was speared an extra round and the humiliation of getting knocked out."
"Revenge is a sweet thing..."

Below is the original text. Tell me that doesn't make you want to see these guys fall. At least they present themselves as sportsmen.

I read that Bas says: nice for Remy Bonjansky (is that bashing? Sounds like a compliment to me) then he writes about: Stefan and Semmy both won from Bonjansky and that they watched twice Remy becoming champion without their participation (is that fighter bashing?)
Semmy Schilt was not impressed (at the press conference Breggy was prevoking Semmy by starring at him the whole time) is being ”not impressed”, bashing a fighter?
Musashi did not have to fight another round and was speared further humiliation, is that fighters bashing?
Revenge is a sweet thing, this is meant in a sportive way, finally all three gg fighters qualified and are not stopped by political reasons or personal issues.
Could you let me know what you mean with bashing?

[K1power]

Were does Bas do any fighter bashing in the story you mentioned?
Yes he did made mistakes in the fighter names, but is that fighters bashing?
I do not have to do any research about Bas Boon, as I do not talk or publish thrash about him on the internet.

Your quote: Here are some interesting quotes:
"Nice for Remy Bonjanski but Semmy and Stefan defeated him both and had to watch from the side line how he became champion without their participation. Semmy proved himself a thru K-1 Champion..."
"Semmy Schilt was not impressed by Bjorn Breggy from Switzerland who won the K-1 GP Holland qualification match in May 2006."
"Mushashi was speared an extra round and the humiliation of getting knocked out."
"Revenge is a sweet thing..."

Below is the original text. Tell me that doesn't make you want to see these guys fall. At least they present themselves as sportsmen.

I read that Bas says: nice for Remy Bonjansky (is that bashing? Sounds like a compliment to me) then he writes about: Stefan and Semmy both won from Bonjansky and that they watched twice Remy becoming champion without their participation (is that fighter bashing?)
Semmy Schilt was not impressed (at the press conference Breggy was prevoking Semmy by starring at him the whole time) is being ”not impressed”, bashing a fighter?
Musashi did not have to fight another round and was speared further humiliation, is that fighters bashing?
Revenge is a sweet thing, this is meant in a sportive way, finally all three gg fighters qualified and are not stopped by political reasons or personal issues.
Could you let me know what you mean with bashing?

Ohw come on man, I think every member here unless you consider that as bashing, or at the very least a bit disrespectful. You're just in denial. Wake up and smell the coffee. I've met Bas too and he indeed seemed like a nice guy, but that doesn't mean it's impossible that he's a bit hostile towards a few specific fighters.

[mastermind]

Ohw come on man, I think every member here unless you consider that as bashing, or at the very least a bit disrespectful. You're just in denial. Wake up and smell the coffee. I've met Bas too and he indeed seemed like a nice guy, but that doesn't mean it's impossible that he's a bit hostile towards a few specific fighters.

I am not in denial, I first ask were, what or who is the source? Central Kickboxing org. lost it, or it is not the job of the person who is making accusations to find these threads?
Then finally CKO makes a quote, but I am not in denial, were does it say fighters bashing?
Sometime there is hostility between managers and or fighters, but I do not think that is the case in this story by Boon and we are talking about this.

[AKA]

Who the fuck are u Mastermind?
I bet ur IP is from Holland!

[Jofeljoh!]

Who the fuck are u Mastermind?
I bet ur IP is from Holland!

So is k1powers, and so is mine. But that doesn't immediately mean we all agree or have to defend Bas Boon or mastermind. Not that I feel your reply was adressed to me personally or to Holland, I just find it's unnecessary to play the 'country-card' in this particular case.... please don't turn this into one 'of those discussions'...

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

You know mastermind, when someone says your girlfriend "is a nice person, but..." you know that they are trying to seem balanced. Remy set records in the K-1 GP and in the next line Bas calls Semmy "the true champion."

You must be careful of what you say and also of what you suggest. He clearly suggested that Remy was not a true champion. This is indisputable.

As far as the source goes, I don't need it. I read it myself. I didn't hear from someone who read it. I'm certainly not responsible for producing it for you any more than you are responsible for producing a tape of a fight you saw with your own eyes. If you don't want to believe me, don't.

In the end, it would be a lost cause. You can't even detect the veiled disrespect in the above text.

[mastermind]

You know mastermind, when someone says your girlfriend "is a nice person, but..." you know that they are trying to seem balanced. Remy set records in the K-1 GP and in the next line Bas calls Semmy "the true champion."

You must be careful of what you say and also of what you suggest. He clearly suggested that Remy was not a true champion. This is indisputable.

As far as the source goes, I don't need it. I read it myself. I didn't hear from someone who read it. I'm certainly not responsible for producing it for you any more than you are responsible for producing a tape of a fight you saw with your own eyes. If you don't want to believe me, don't.

In the end, it would be a lost cause. You can't even detect the veiled disrespect in the above text.

You can not blame Bas Boon for K-1 politics, both Stefan and Semmy beat Remy that year. Semmy fought five rounds with Remy and Remy did not do anything, he was beaten every round.
This happened a few months for the K-1 finals, they had Remy qualified again in Las Vegas but K-1 promised Semmy that if he would beat Remy he would be given a chance.
It is logic if you see the participation field of fighters for those two K-1 GP’s, Remy won, because of the fact both Leko and Semmy were not allowed to fight in those Gp’s, that Bas calls Semmy the true champion is quit normal (especially as he is the manager of both fighters) considering the field Semmy had to fight to become champion. He knocked down Sefo, he ko’d Remy in the first and ko’d Feitosa in the first. No extra rounds or dubious decisions needed.
You can call this however you like, but why is that disrespectful towards Remy, like Bas Boon said good for Remy!
Maybe lucky for Remy would be a better word.
Same goes for Peter Aerts, you can call him unluckey (because of drawings and injuries,sickness) but still even now at his age, hell of a good fighter.

[( o Y o )]

Remy won, because of the fact both Leko and Semmy were not allowed to fight in those Gp’s

Remy winning the LVGP had absolutely nothing to do with leko not being in the GP.

Also, did Semmy truely injury himself bowling?


He knocked down Sefo

Sefo got a standing 8 count, not knocked down...and due to exhaustion from his illness, not Semmy. Ask semmy who he said was his toughest fight that night...... I know what was said.

No extra rounds or dubious decisions needed.

Remy finished Abidi and Graham in the same fashion Semmy did his latter two opponents in his first GP victory. The only extra round bullshit was AGAINST Remy that year, not for him. With two stoppage wins and the judges working against you does that NOT make a real champion?

You can call this however you like, but why is that disrespectful towards Remy

OK....let me say this.

Semmy is the luckiest man alive because he got to fight Ray Sefo when he was too freaking sick to walk back from TGIF the day before the fight (anyone connected in the remotest way will understand how close TGIF is to the official hotel), yet he still took Semmy the distance, and Semmy is even luckier that Aerts was injured against leBanner in the first round, which took out what was considered the strongest two fighters from the B bracket. And Aerts showed just a few months later how to beat a fresh Semmy so a tired one after two fights should have been no problem.

If you can accept that without any "but" then you can still argue Bas's comments were not disrespectful towards Remy. If you come up with even a single "but" you are being stupid and are too close to GG and Semmy to see why others were offended.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Mastermind...
your extreme youth is starting to show. Good for you.

I suppose you can't read anything in this observation can you. You think I am talking about your time on the planet and not at all about your naievity. Great to be young, huh?

[mastermind]

Remy winning the LVGP had absolutely nothing to do with leko not being in the GP.

Also, did Semmy truely injury himself bowling?




Sefo got a standing 8 count, not knocked down...and due to exhaustion from his illness, not Semmy. Ask semmy who he said was his toughest fight that night...... I know what was said.



Remy finished Abidi and Graham in the same fashion Semmy did his latter two opponents in his first GP victory. The only extra round bullshit was AGAINST Remy that year, not for him. With two stoppage wins and the judges working against you does that NOT make a real champion?



OK....let me say this.

Semmy is the luckiest man alive because he got to fight Ray Sefo when he was too freaking sick to walk back from TGIF the day before the fight (anyone connected in the remotest way will understand how close TGIF is to the official hotel), yet he still took Semmy the distance, and Semmy is even luckier that Aerts was injured against leBanner in the first round, which took out what was considered the strongest two fighters from the B bracket. And Aerts showed just a few months later how to beat a fresh Semmy so a tired one after two fights should have been no problem.

If you can accept that without any "but" then you can still argue Bas's comments were not disrespectful towards Remy. If you come up with even a single "but" you are being stupid and are too close to GG and Semmy to see why others were offended.

I have no problem with your opinion and yes Ray did not look 100%, that said Remy did and he lost by ko in the first, Feitosa looked very strong agai

The bowling was the year before he beat Remy.

I have no problem with your opinion and yes Ray did not look 100% (at least he had a chance and fought and was not taken out of the tournament because of politics), that said Remy did look good and he lost by ko in the first, Feitosa looked very strong against Musashi but lost by ko in the first.
If you want to compare Remy with Graham and Abidi you should be careful, people can see that as an insult, hahahahahaha. Remy vs a pro wrestler at new years evening winning that fight with 1 point different? Semmy ko’d Hoost in the second that same night.
I never said Remy was not the real champion, lets see the rematch with a Stefan Leko who is in shape. I said that the tournament with Stefan Leko and Semmy by the last 8 would have been fair. Stefan qualified because he beat Fhilio at the last 16 in Osaka and Semmy because he beat Remy at that time.
Do you think if Semmy would have fought Peter Graham in Osaka like it was planned, Semmy would not have qualified to be at the last 8?
Aerts did not beat Semmy (by the way how do you know Semmy was fresh there?), the referee did with two yellow cards in 45 seconds in the last round, with 1 point difference, Peter even hoped for a fourth round and was surprised he got the victory (his own words). Nice schedule by the way Ray, Remy, Feitosa, Hoost and Aerts (I guess no wrestler for Semmy).
But this is all speculation and you can write whatever you want to say on this forum, I do not see why the things you are writing are an insult for Semmy in anyway. However comparing Remy with Abidi and Peter Graham ?

[( o Y o )]

The bowling was the year before he beat Remy.


You are saying he truely was bowling?

I have no problem with your opinion and yes Ray did not look 100% (at least he had a chance and fought and was not taken out of the tournament because of politics)

The year before he was. Someone very well informed could say the same again this year as you may well know. GG is by far not the only one effected by politics of K-1.

Remy did look good and he lost by ko in the first

Remy looked like shit. His only fight was against Choi and no one other than The Predator has actually looked "good" against him. Remy was also going through a divorce, custody, had lost one of his main trainers and was in the process of breaking up with his main trainer. THAT is not good condition.


If you want to compare Remy with Graham and Abidi you should be careful, people can see that as an insult, hahahahahaha.

Funny you don`t seem to like people putting down Bas, but here you are disrespecting other fighters. Abidi has beaten some of the best, and has not had the chances offered to some others due to politics. Graham is perhaps the biggest victim of politics of these last couple of years....but while you scream foul about the way GG fighters have been treated, you laugh at him. Makes it very hard to take what you are saying seriously.

Remy vs a pro wrestler at new years evening winning that fight with 1 point different? Semmy ko’d Hoost in the second that same night.

Hoost had not won a fight for 16 months at that stage, and had not even had a fight in 13 months. Remy's mental condition has already been discussed and he was training with a new trainer (MUsashi's...Frankie) for just 2 weekes before his fight.

I never said Remy was not the real champion, lets see the rematch with a Stefan Leko who is in shape. I said that the tournament with Stefan Leko and Semmy by the last 8 would have been fair. Stefan qualified because he beat Fhilio at the last 16 in Osaka and Semmy because he beat Remy at that time.

You did not, but many in Golden Glory including Stefan have said he is not the real champ. People will have a problem with that, which is what you don`t seem to understand. Bas and Leko have said lots of rather disrespectful things in the past, though recently both, especially Leko, have changed their ways. In the pre fight conferences Leko was actually one of the most humble there at this years Elims. If you are friends with him, sk him about the guy that was joking about his hair being normal this time....that was me.

Semmy`s win over Remy was a Superfight too. It was not a qualifying fight.



Do you think if Semmy would have fought Peter Graham in Osaka like it was planned, Semmy would not have qualified to be at the last 8?

He may have, but lets be careful here as Semmy was asked there as a replacement for Hoost. He did not qualify for the Elims, he was invited there and finally they went with someone else. Again, I was there watching the drama unfold, and actualy was standing next to Semmy during the press conference for the 2003 Elims.

Aerts did not beat Semmy (by the way how do you know Semmy was fresh there?), the referee did with two yellow cards in 45 seconds in the last round, with 1 point difference, Peter even hoped for a fourth round and was surprised he got the victory (his own words).

Aerts beat Semmy. Semmy fouled. The ref fucked up. K-1 sucks. All different views from differing positions depending on who you like, dislike, have connections with, want to have connections with. Fact is, Semmy didn`t look too hot against either Aerts or Choi. Aerts being the pro he is goes with the flow. Some things go his way, others go against him. That all part of being in K-1.

(by the way how do you know Semmy was fresh there?)

My meaning with fresh was that it was a superfight and not one in which both fighters were bringing in damage from previous fights that they would have in a GP.

However comparing Remy with Abidi and Peter Graham ?

That looks remarkably like Bas's writings. LOL

If you look at what I wrote and really know the goings on, I compared an extremely sick Ray Sefo and mentally destroyed Remy Bonjasky with a Cyril Abidi and fired up Peter Graham who (unlike Semmy???) refused to be "injured" for the GP and due to which he knew if he didn`t win he would likely never be back.....and he has never been back. Semmy has. Leko has. They are the lucky ones.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Stefan qualified because he beat Fhilio

Stefan beat whom? Isn't that the same misspelling as in the original PR piece.

Listen, Bas is good at a lot of things and pissing off fans of fighters outside his stable is one of them. It would be unfortunate if fans directed their distaste for his remarks at GG fighters because they are all cool cats.

In the GP, I will cheer for Schilt. He lost to dodgy decisions and will be fighting JLB who won two dodgy decisions. I need balance in my life and Schilt winning will help a bit.

Chalid advancing is pretty neutral for me. I do like Hoost but cheering for him to me is like cheering for a reserve fighter. Undecided.

Definately cheering for Remy. The comments from Bas since 2003 have been unwarranted so I'd like to see Remy shut him up the only way possible, by beating Leko. Not that anything would really shut up Bas.

[AKA]

I hope that JLB will win the final by beating the 3 GG guys ;)

[AKA]

So is k1powers, and so is mine. But that doesn't immediately mean we all agree or have to defend Bas Boon or mastermind. Not that I feel your reply was adressed to me personally or to Holland, I just find it's unnecessary to play the 'country-card' in this particular case.... please don't turn this into one 'of those discussions'...
Nope, u didnt get it!
I was supposing that Mastermind is probably near or inside GG...maybe its Boon himself lol!
That was my my point!
But I didnt read the first pages so maybe he gave his identity, if yes, sorry my bad...
BTW not a anti-dutch attack and not an attack at all, I just wonder who is Mastermind, thats all.

[Jofeljoh!]

Nope, u didnt get it!
I was supposing that Mastermind is probably near or inside GG...maybe its Boon himself lol!
That was my my point!
But I didnt read the first pages so maybe he gave his identity, if yes, sorry my bad...
BTW not a anti-dutch attack and not an attack at all, I just wonder who is Mastermind, thats all.

Allrighty, no hard feelings then (knew you aren't the type, but just to have it out of the way! :) )

But it isn't Bas Boon, I have seen him post on other dutch forums and if he reads this he'll probably register and post here himself under his own name. Maybe he will...

[basboon]

Allrighty, no hard feelings then (knew you aren't the type, but just to have it out of the way! :) )

But it isn't Bas Boon, I have seen him post on other dutch forums and if he reads this he'll probably register and post here himself under his own name. Maybe he will...

I was forwarded this link by mastermind.

I write (and post pictures) after each event were Golden Glory fighters participated.
The reason why I do this: is exposure, which is not always given the right way by K-1, I mail newspapers, internet sites, martial arts magazines and potential sponsors. I also film footage behind the stage for Docu en TV series.
Every good manager should do this for their fighters.
Next time when you see me, speak to me and we will have a meeting with each other and if you want with Remy Bonjansky (if he wants that).
Take this story I wrote, with you and ask what Remy thinks about this (maybe he is not offended at all but some forum members don’t like any sound of Bas Boon). Further more, I tell the fighters in person what I think or if I disagree with certain situations.
I do post on many forums (this one is new for me) and yes I do speak 99% business, it is normal as manager from Golden Glory I speak good about our fighters.
I wish all the fighters the best for December 2nd and may the best man win!

[Jofeljoh!]

Thank you for your reply Bas, appreciate your vision. Hopefully you'll come by more often and share your thoughts (and inside information, lol ;) ). If you stay some time in this forum you'll notice that this is probably (one of) the best forum to hang around, with al lot of knowledgeable posters, and also some pro's and other managers.

Welcome :)

[mastermind]

Who cares, if Semmy was injured or not? He did not participate and it was long known before the finals took place.

The year before he was. Someone very well informed could say the same again this year as you may well know. GG is by far not the only one effected by politics of K-1.

Well Bas is only the manager from GG, why would he speak or write for fighters who are not from his stable? I can understand he writes about his own fighters.

Remy looked like shit. His only fight was against Choi and no one other than The Predator has actually looked "good" against him. Remy was also going through a divorce, custody, had lost one of his main trainers and was in the process of breaking up with his main trainer. THAT is not good condition.

Remy went three rounds with Choi and Semmy went three rounds with Sefo, both went three rounds. Semmy then ko’d Remy in the first round. I do not care about all excuses that has nothing to do with politics. It was not K-1 or a judge or referee that made Remy choose to brake with everybody who was loyal to him for more then 10 years.

Funny you don`t seem to like people putting down Bas, but here you are disrespecting other fighters. Abidi has beaten some of the best, and has not had the chances offered to some others due to politics. Graham is perhaps the biggest victim of politics of these last couple of years....but while you scream foul about the way GG fighters have been treated, you laugh at him. Makes it very hard to take what you are saying seriously.

That was sarcasm with a big hahahahahahahaha behind this, if you want to take this serious, be my guest. When Abidi qualified he got his chances and he won a few times with orthodox techniques like headbuts and winning over injured or sick opponents (I know you like to refer to fighters who are sick or not hundred % like you had Sefo as sample) By the way , I like the fighting spirit of Abidi, that my personal opinion. Were does it say I laugh at him? You mean that sarcasm hahahahahahahaha?

Hoost had not won a fight for 16 months at that stage, and had not even had a fight in 13 months. Remy's mental condition has already been discussed and he was training with a new trainer (MUsashi's...Frankie) for just 2 weekes before his fight.

Good management to take Hoost after winning the GP (by the way: Semmy won a few years before against Hoost when Hoost later won the GP (he was not out of shape there), again Semmy got screwed by a draw decision at the dynamite show) Remy does not need any mental stage, he chooses to be alone. If his own decision is not good to fight on nye, because of his mental state, it is going to be hard to blame anybody then himself.

You did not, but many in Golden Glory including Stefan have said he is not the real champ. People will have a problem with that, which is what you don`t seem to understand. Bas and Leko have said lots of rather disrespectful things in the past, though recently both, especially Leko, have changed their ways. In the pre fight conferences Leko was actually one of the most humble there at this years Elims. If you are friends with him, sk him about the guy that was joking about his hair being normal this time....that was me.

I can understand for Stefan to say that, he won his qualification match won twice against Bonjansky and Abidi and has to see twice how Bonjanski wins the finals. I do not blame Stefan for saying that, if there is anybody who can say that, it is Stefan. What disrespectful things were said by both, source? Source got lost? I always have seen Leko being humble, please give me a sample when he was not? I have not the luxury of going to Japan, you should get in contact with Bas next time and if you are irritated by his stories or what he says, tell him in is face.

Semmy`s win over Remy was a Superfight too. It was not a qualifying fight.

K-1: told Semmy that if he would win against Remy , he would get the wildcard in Osaka. Semmy was even invited to Osaka, but then they took injured Sam Greco (were did he qualify?) against Peter Graham and sent a fit Semmy home with no fight. I think that the post of Bas Boon and other golden glory fighters after this scandal were pretty mild, I would have been so pissed and would have spit venom at the people responsible.

He may have, but lets be careful here as Semmy was asked there as a replacement for Hoost. He did not qualify for the Elims, he was invited there and finally they went with someone else. Again, I was there watching the drama unfold, and actualy was standing next to Semmy during the press conference for the 2003 Elims.

They? You mean K-1, they choose sick Sam Greco over a fit Semmy Schilt who beat Remy Bonjansky in his last fight? What’s there to be careful? So why are you so hostile towards me or Bas Boon. Is it not logical he writes about this and at that time he blamed K-1, not any other fighters. If you were there an know about this, you should know that Bas also gave Remy and Andre some very good advices when Remy had to face Bob Sapp. Why would he do this if he did not like Remy?

Aerts beat Semmy. Semmy fouled. The ref fucked up. K-1 sucks. All different views from differing positions depending on who you like, dislike, have connections with, want to have connections with. Fact is, Semmy didn`t look too hot against either Aerts or Choi. Aerts being the pro he is goes with the flow. Some things go his way, others go against him. That all part of being in K-1.

Every body who saw that fight on tv eurosport could see Aerts could have had yellow cards to for holding, it was Semmy making the fight the first two rounds. Ask a nobody who is not involved with the sport. I think Semmy did an excellent first round against Peter Aerts, but Aerts and his corner (Rooze was yelling so hard in between two rounds that you could hear in Australia what he had to say) knew he was going to loose if he continued fighting with Semmy, so Aerts starting to clinch and hold the arm of Semmy. Semmy got irritated and out of his fighting rythum and those two yellow cards could easy be rewarded to Aerts. No, Aerts being the pro he is said: he hoped for a fourth round even after two yellow cards were rewarded in round three to Semmy.

My meaning with fresh was that it was a superfight and not one in which both fighters were bringing in damage from previous fights that they would have in a GP.

Yeah right both went three rounds, and Semmy ko’d Remy in round 1.

That looks remarkably like Bas's writings. LOL

If you look at what I wrote and really know the goings on, I compared an extremely sick Ray Sefo and mentally destroyed Remy Bonjasky with a Cyril Abidi and fired up Peter Graham who (unlike Semmy???) refused to be "injured" for the GP and due to which he knew if he didn`t win he would likely never be back.....and he has never been back. Semmy has. Leko has. They are the lucky ones.[/QUOTE]

You must have a lot of grief over the bowling accident? Who cares if he fought then, at least it was not a sick Sam Greco who replaced Semmy but Hoost in a rematch with Bob Sapp, in the fight with the best ratings out of K-1 history. What ever happened is irrelevant in promising Semmy to get a wild card after beating Remy, but then give the chance to an injured Sam Greco who did not fight in years, were did he qualify? Semmy and Leko and many other fighters from GG have a very good management team behind them. I know Bas Boon and others are working day and night for that group, all three fighters won an 8 men tournament and qualified. No wild cards, just winning every single fight. If Ray was really sick ,why did he fight? His management should have protected him at all times as the doctor of K-1 who does the medical check before the K-1. Mentally destroyed Bonjansky, how do you know? Did Remy told you he was mentally ok against Choi but then looked at his second opponent Semmy and got mentally ill?

[AKA]

I was forwarded this link by mastermind.

I write (and post pictures) after each event were Golden Glory fighters participated.
The reason why I do this: is exposure, which is not always given the right way by K-1, I mail newspapers, internet sites, martial arts magazines and potential sponsors. I also film footage behind the stage for Docu en TV series.
Every good manager should do this for their fighters.
Next time when you see me, speak to me and we will have a meeting with each other and if you want with Remy Bonjansky (if he wants that).
Take this story I wrote, with you and ask what Remy thinks about this (maybe he is not offended at all but some forum members don’t like any sound of Bas Boon). Further more, I tell the fighters in person what I think or if I disagree with certain situations.
I do post on many forums (this one is new for me) and yes I do speak 99% business, it is normal as manager from Golden Glory I speak good about our fighters.
I wish all the fighters the best for December 2nd and may the best man win!
Hahah nice to see u post here!
I wish GG fighters good luck against JLB in the next GP ;) 3 in a raw, 3 in raw!
Btw we met like 2-3 times. I guess that first time was at K1 Dynamite, when JLB and Semmy were in the same "restroom"(like all the fighter fighting for for the red corner). Say hello to Sem, he is such a very nice guy.

Alan Kermorvan
JLB commercial agent

[urdum]

After all this Remy talk here by mastermind, I just REALY HOPE that Remy wins against Leko, so that I can laugh very very loud:D

[Mago]

Mastermind - if you are new to internet "discussions", you'll soon find out that forums are very good places to discuss opinions and findings, but not for chaging peoples' minds or convincing anybody wrong. I guess the main issue here is that in places such as these, we need to agree in disagreeing with one another, respecting every educated view.

Felix (CKO) is one of the most knowledgeable, funny and respectful members around, his opinions are very valid, even if they hurt you somehow, personally. Believe me this happens a lot for everybody. Remy is one of the most underated K1 champs and elite fighters ever, I don't know which began flaming him first, professionals or fans, but I'm sure the later "consensus" on his supposed inferiority toward other legends made it safe environment for suggestions such as the ones implied by mr Boon's public comments to exist, knoing they would have a "public". I guess the point here is, for us "uneducated" fans who are here mainly for enterteinment and couldn't care less about a fighter's personal feelings and such, it's understandable to hear people shouting statements like that, but I feel we expect more from the professionals in the business, and although I won't argue this is probably the best/easiest/fastest possible way to promote one's fighters (by creating fire/polemic), the problem here is that a guy like Bonjasky is known for being extra-careful on his opinions and views towards ALL professional mates, at least publicly, so some WILL find it offensive to see him attacked in any way, regardless of the reasonings behind it.

[Mago]

Just a note, I remember for a fact when Leko stated publicly that he felt Hoost was just too old to keep fighting (and to have any chances beating him), in 2001 or 2002 rematch. Hoost didn't like it a bit, he didn't deserve the comment (EVEN if it was true, no point...). This didn't make me stop likening Leko, but things like these are not exactly needed for us to keep enjoying the sport.

BTW, with 3 Golden Glory fighters in the GP, if by some reason Remy wins it, this forum will have a lot to chew on. ;)

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Good to see Bas posting.
Mastermind is writing longer and longer posts. It kind of reminds me of the "Give Credit to Muay Thai" threads circa 2000-2001 on other boards.

Bas,
By design or by accident, if you suggest that Bonjasy is not a true champion, you will create a divide. I would prefer that you tone down the comments, but I wouldn't demand it. I'm all for free speech.

I'm sure the fighters can handle it. I'm sure you can say these things to their faces and mine as well. The fans however, are a very different group. If you suggest that Remy wasn't a true champion on behalf of GG, I guarantee you will create some fans who will jeer your fighters. They will be the ones who actually like Remy. The more you gloat and compare your fighters successes to others failures, the larger the Hate Club will become.

A Hate Club is not a bad thing. Mike Tyson made millions by being an insane ass. "I want to eat his children" got more ink and TV coverage than anything a champ on a bum of the month tour could have ever received.

It is all up to you. Counter to Mastermind's suggestion though, I have no intention to pretend that you are giving fair and balanced evaluations.

[( o Y o )]

Who cares, if Semmy was injured or not? He did not participate and it was long known before the finals took place.

You seem to like playing the political victim card is the only reason this point comes up. If Semmy himself was one that also used the same deck of cards you can hardly complain about the politics later.


Remy went three rounds with Choi and Semmy went three rounds with Sefo, both went three rounds. Semmy then ko’d Remy in the first round. I do not care about all excuses that has nothing to do with politics. It was not K-1 or a judge or referee that made Remy choose to brake with everybody who was loyal to him for more then 10 years.


That sounds to me like you are saying "but......" and taking offense to the bold opinion I wrote. And then complaining others with a different stand point have taken offense to Bas's comments. Irony at its best I would say.

That was sarcasm with a big hahahahahahahaha behind this, if you want to take this serious, be my guest. When Abidi qualified he got his chances and he won a few times with orthodox techniques like headbuts and winning over injured or sick opponents (I know you like to refer to fighters who are sick or not hundred % like you had Sefo as sample) By the way , I like the fighting spirit of Abidi, that my personal opinion. Were does it say I laugh at him? You mean that sarcasm hahahahahahahaha?

You were laughing at what you thought was my comparison of two top fighters with what you (as shown by the last line of that post too) think of as two subpar fighters.

Good management to take Hoost after winning the GP (by the way: Semmy won a few years before against Hoost when Hoost later won the GP (he was not out of shape there), again Semmy got screwed by a draw decision at the dynamite show)

No doubt it was great management to take Hoost at Dynamite, if for no other reason that the day before the GP Hoost held a press conference saying he wanted to fight whoever the champion was at Dynamite, and stated the same thing on the PPV and I believe in the ring. Not fighting him would have in fact been a bad move at that stage (barring injury or illness of course).

And I agree, and stated many times that the first time Semmy and Hoost fought, Semmy won it convincingly. I believe you can still see my posts saying as much at sherdog if you care to look.

Remy does not need any mental stage, he chooses to be alone. If his own decision is not good to fight on nye, because of his mental state, it is going to be hard to blame anybody then himself.


If Ray was really sick ,why did he fight?

It is not quite as simple as that. I am very sure Bas can explain to you why.

K-1: told Semmy that if he would win against Remy , he would get the wildcard in Osaka. Semmy was even invited to Osaka, but then they took injured Sam Greco (were did he qualify?) against Peter Graham and sent a fit Semmy home with no fight. I think that the post of Bas Boon and other golden glory fighters after this scandal were pretty mild, I would have been so pissed and would have spit venom at the people responsible.

I think everyone can agree that K-1 tends to say a lot of things to a lot of people. No one is denying that. At the end of the day they go with what they think best for them, or what they are also pressured into. Their own rules are flexible. "Best 8" means little when only 7 are invited back....the karate fighter given the flick. BTW, does Sem and Bas still train in Seidokaikan?

Source got lost?

Firstly, Bas has issues two major letters that I know of that CKO has been talking about. One of them is on the front page. The other one I am sure Bas will be able to reproduce for you if you ask him for it...it is the one he released just before the 2003 GP where he talked of Leko coming to Japan without his representation. It was public, but after 3 years few have bothered to keep it as right now GG is alive and strong in k-1 so it has no more value.

Your constant sarcasm about sources is rather silly when the topic was extremely well discussed at the time. It would be like me demanding medical records and accepting nothing less in proof of Semmys bowling injury (of which I hve no interest in so pls don`t try and supply any to make a point).

So why are you so hostile towards me or Bas Boon.

Seriously, you seem to have some major issues showing up in here. Where have I shown any hostility to either of you? Read my post in here at about number 34, 35 or 36 and show me the hostility please. Go quote it for all to see. I think you will notice I actually complimented Bas on what he has managed to do for semmy.

I have actually been enjoying reading this thread between you and CKO until yesterday, when I noticed some of your facts tending to lean more towards fantasy. That is when I came back in.

Every body who saw that fight on tv eurosport could see Aerts could have had yellow cards to for holding, it was Semmy making the fight the first two rounds. Ask a nobody who is not involved with the sport. I think Semmy did an excellent first round against Peter Aerts, but Aerts and his corner (Rooze was yelling so hard in between two rounds that you could hear in Australia what he had to say) knew he was going to loose if he continued fighting with Semmy, so Aerts starting to clinch and hold the arm of Semmy. Semmy got irritated and out of his fighting rythum and those two yellow cards could easy be rewarded to Aerts. No, Aerts being the pro he is said: he hoped for a fourth round even after two yellow cards were rewarded in round three to Semmy.


So again you are showing you were offended by the opinion I posted. And again you are telling CKO he should not be offended by Bas's personal opinion, while you do get offended by one I wrote. Odd right?!!

Yeah right both went three rounds, and Semmy ko’d Remy in round 1.


Yes, both went three rounds. Meaning neither were fresh. As opposed to both of them having fought nobody prior to their fight in NZ. Meaning they were fresh there, which is what I said.

And again Bas can also back up the fact that going 3 rounds with Sefo at the 2005 GP would not have been quite the same as going three against JLB.

You must have a lot of grief over the bowling accident? Who cares if he fought then, at least it was not a sick Sam Greco who replaced Semmy but Hoost in a rematch with Bob Sapp, in the fight with the best ratings out of K-1 history. What ever happened is irrelevant in promising Semmy to get a wild card after beating Remy, but then give the chance to an injured Sam Greco who did not fight in years, were did he qualify?

It seems the bowling injury is a topic saw with you, not me. My own opinion is just that if you play with fire you will eventually get burnt. I don`t even see where your frustration here is coming from as it was many years ago and currently GG is the strongest team in K-1. I`d be feeling on top of the world, not joining a forum just to complain about one persons opinion about their managers technique.

As for Greco getting the shot, if you had of read the entire thread you will know what I am about to say. I bolded it for you. Ratings. Semmy has come a loooong way this past 12 months, but 3 years ago he was one step up from a nobody to K-1 general fans (which are not pancrase fans or UFC fans), and Peter Graham was 2 or 3 steps below Semmy. The fight would have more than likely been cut from air by FujiTV as the ratings for it would have been small. Throw in a Sam Greco, and you instantly have some people watching, even if they have no idea who the guy with the strange stars on his back is.

Mentally destroyed Bonjansky, how do you know? Did Remy told you he was mentally ok against Choi but then looked at his second opponent Semmy and got mentally ill?

Ask Andre about him then.


Anyway, I really think we are pretty much done despite the fact we could easily go back and fourth another month or two. You didn`t like the fact CKO took offense to Bas's remarks that he thought disrespectful, and you have shown very clearly with this post that even though you said the opinion I posted is not disrespectful, you took offense to it as you just tore it appart arguing each point. Is that not very similar to what CKO has been doing?

[( o Y o )]

I write (and post pictures) after each event were Golden Glory fighters participated.
The reason why I do this: is exposure, which is not always given the right way by K-1, I mail newspapers, internet sites, martial arts magazines and potential sponsors. I also film footage behind the stage for Docu en TV series.
Every good manager should do this for their fighters.
Next time when you see me, speak to me and we will have a meeting with each other and if you want with Remy Bonjansky (if he wants that).
Take this story I wrote, with you and ask what Remy thinks about this (maybe he is not offended at all but some forum members don’t like any sound of Bas Boon). Further more, I tell the fighters in person what I think or if I disagree with certain situations.
I do post on many forums (this one is new for me) and yes I do speak 99% business, it is normal as manager from Golden Glory I speak good about our fighters.
I wish all the fighters the best for December 2nd and may the best man win!

Welcome to the site. I hope you'll start sharing some of those post-fight articles/posts/pictures etc with us in the future too.

Like CKO said, I am sure other fighters and managers wont take too much offense from something you wrote about someone, or you saying it to their face, but fans (especially the hardcore fans online) are far more sensitive and will jump on what they feel is disrespect aimed at their favorite. Mastermind has just given a perfect example of that with his own last post. You are no stranger to controversy though, and obviously have thick skin.

On a side note, while you may not remember, we were both correct. At Dynamite last year we discussed how we were expecting K-1 would no doubt try to drive Semmy into the ground and burn him out before the Eliminations with a lot of hard fights. It happened (them trying). The only one I was a little surprised at was Semmy showing up in HERO's.

[Cracked_Knuckle]

So um, what the hell was the topic here again? What impression Bas Boon gave, or which fighter got rippped off buy a K-1 the worst? I think what started out as fun discussion got confused with trying to correct opinions. But fuck, every1 has and keeps there own opnions anyway so it wont works.

I am glad Bas has joined though. I wannted to ask some questions about the GP. I hope he comes back and this wasn`t a 1 off post.

[Cracked_Knuckle]

My question if he does come back. http://forum.kakutougi.info/showthread.php?p=110527#post110527