2006 GP Reserve matches: Who do you want to see?

[( o Y o )]

Easy enough question......let us know who you'd be matching with who too.

(pick 4 names THEN click VOTE)

[Jofeljoh!]

Sefo vs Aerts
Hari vs Musashi


Because I'd really like to see Aerts have a good chance to get in after all; Sefo is also a fighter who deserves to be in it. So let them battle it out. Good balanced fight.

Musashi is someone who also is a name who ought to be there, allthough we all know I'm not his biggest fan (not at all). Badr Hari is someone who doesn't deserve it at all, but I'm a sucker for the guy in some way. He can bring the necessary drama to fire everyone up before the actual finals begin. He's the 'firestarter'.

But I guess K-1 will bring Musashi in at the first reserve fight, so it all depends on what K-1 wants: easy win? They'd probably chose for Hari, Goodridge. Choi is also an interesting option for them, as is Mighty Mo. It's still about the bucks, so why not trying to make some and expanding the K-1 empirium in Korea and the USA.

Somehow I think (and at least hope) Sefo, Aarts and Musashi are already chosen by K-1, and they're just figuring out who's the fourth and how they'll match them up.

[( o Y o )]

Somehow I think (and at least hope) Sefo, Aarts and Musashi are already chosen by K-1

I think K-1 will be doing everything they can to secure these guys because to be frank, as it stands right now the Tokyo Dome will be 3/4 empty. The only big ticket seller in the current top 8 is LeBanner so they are going to need some star-studded reserve and superfights to get asses in seats.

I expect we will get an opening fight, 2 reserve fights and at least 1 superfight.

[Kayo]

I'd like to see Sefo/Choi (yeah... I know I'm horrible) and actually I would rather see Abidi/Hari just to see it, I think that'd be a great fight. But w/ the list I'd like to see Sefo/Choi

I picked Sefo/Aerts, Goodridge/Choi. I think Goodridge has enough balls to go in and do what one would need to do against someone like Choi, get in close and throw/land bombs. Well, IMO of course.

Sefo/Aerts b/c well it's Sefo/Aerts.

I haven't heard much from Abidi lately but I would've liked to see Abidi on there instead of Mo. From there it'd be Abidi/Hari. I think that'd be a great fight! Then again that's just IMO.

[ArtOfWar]

I picked Ray and Peter although I'm EXTREMELY disappointed with the way Ray fought.

My 3rd choice is Choi. He puts asses in seats and is no fluke. They guy obviously trains and has put the best of them in trouble.

4th guy - Really dont care as long as it is not Badr Hari. Great kick boxer and all but whinier than hell + he takes way too long to get to the damn ring. I mean, it may have been a bad decision by the ref and everything but 'Im never going to fight again'?! WTF is wrong with him?

[Jofeljoh!]

I think K-1 will be doing everything they can to secure these guys because to be frank, as it stands right now the Tokyo Dome will be 3/4 empty. The only big ticket seller in the current top 8 is LeBanner so they are going to need some star-studded reserve and superfights to get asses in seats.

I expect we will get an opening fight, 2 reserve fights and at least 1 superfight.



Good to hear that, well, not that it's that empty (how come by the way?), but they'll probably attempt to get the top dogs to fight.

I actually haven't heard anything about Aerts injury just yet, but I can't imagine he won't be ready to fight for the finals. Aerts is a warrior and if he can fight, he'll fight (and I also know he won't turn good money down fast either), so I'm pretty sure he'll be there.

[( o Y o )]

I'd like to see Sefo/Choi (yeah... I know I'm horrible)

I know Ray would enjoy that fight. He wanted Choi back at the last GP.

Biggest guy in K-1 against the smallest guy (though Chalid may have now stolen that title).

I haven't heard much from Abidi lately but I would've liked to see Abidi on there instead of Mo.

Hence "Other" ;-)

That said, Abidi completely slipped my mind when making it.....I['m still recovering from the weekend. lol

An Abidi vs Badr Superfight would be brilliant, and a great way to bring Abidi back in too!

[Jofeljoh!]

I think a superfight between Abidi and Hari is superb too, it can be a real classic and there will be no discussion about that one of them don't deserve a reserve-fight spot.

[LethalSassonic]

Musashi vs Aerts 2 Classy K-1 fighters who deserve a reserve opportunity
Sefo vs Mighty Mo Just cause I have wanted to see them fight, but I know it won't happen though.

[Kayo]

I know Ray would enjoy that fight. He wanted Choi back at the last GP.

Biggest guy in K-1 against the smallest guy (though Chalid may have now stolen that title).



Hence "Other" ;-)

That said, Abidi completely slipped my mind when making it.....I['m still recovering from the weekend. lol

An Abidi vs Badr Superfight would be brilliant, and a great way to bring Abidi back in too!LOL

Still... I think Mighty Mo would be more "other" material as opposed to Abidi. ;)

[( o Y o )]

Good to hear that, well, not that it's that empty (how come by the way?),

The two biggest ticket movers by FAR in K-1 are JLB and Sefo. After that it is a huge step down to the likes of Musashi and Aerts. Leko and Chalid (with all due respect) sell pretty much nothing right now (Leko largely due to tarnishing himself in the publics eye at PRIDE). Remy and Semmy are two that have been proven to add little to nothing in the way of ticket sales beyond general interest. I heard the last two events Sem was at that sold "Fan seats (seats for particular fans where you get some of that fighters goods as well) for, didn't sell out his section, and they are very limited numbers to start with. Hoost seems to be in that unique position where he is respected by the fans, but they aren't overly excited by his fights.

I guess it comes down to the fact people like entertainment, and they like KO's. I have not heard anything official but I expect a fighter like Goodridge sells more tickets than either of the last two champions.

I guess part of this comes from the lack of marketing Semmy got as well. Remy was well marketed 2 years back but lost his momentum with that rough year it seems.

So currently they have only JLB to sell out the Dome...and as popular as he is, I expect FEG are shitting themselves.


I actually haven't heard anything about Aerts injury just yet, but I can't imagine he won't be ready to fight for the finals. Aerts is a warrior and if he can fight, he'll fight (and I also know he won't turn good money down fast either), so I'm pretty sure he'll be there.

I have heard to conflicting stories, both from sources I would never doubt....so I'm a bit confused. lol One says he is getting much better, the other said it is unlikely he will be healthy for the GP. Hopefully the first one is correct.

[( o Y o )]

About Choi.....his public/military service deal starts early next year it seems. He may still be able to fight after that but he needs permission each and every time, so the thought is he may want to stock up on cash before he goes in. In other words, if a fight is offered I am sure he will take it.

[( o Y o )]

Musashi vs Aerts 2 Classy K-1 fighters who deserve a reserve opportunity
Sefo vs Mighty Mo Just cause I have wanted to see them fight, but I know it won't happen though.

I cannot say neither of those aren't also great choices. Sefo vs Mo would be off the wall....perhaps one to finally rival Hunt vs Sefo, and with the last Aerts vs Musashi fight being so close, a rematch now would make sense.

[Big Sleep]

I voted for Choi, Sefo, Fujimoto and Aerts.

Choi and Sefo because their elimination bouts resulted in close decisions and against top competition so they deserve it in my opinion. Fujimoto because he did well against "Mr. Perfect" (even tho it wasn't the best Hoost).

The match ups that i'd like to see are Choi vs Aerts and Sefo vs Fujimoto because i think that they would make for good and entertaining fights style wise.

[Mago]

Voted for Sefo, Aerts, Slowinsky and Other... Ignashov! ;)

Yeah, I know, I know, but I'm the biggest fan, there's no real reason why he shouldn't be one of the reserve fighters, and I have always wanted to see him against Sefo, for some reason.

My more realistic option would be to have Slowinsky vs Ray Sefo, for the clash of styles, and because Paul worked his ass off to get this far, would be sad if we don't see him untill next year. Seeing as Musashi is pretty much already in for a reserve, I too would like to see him rematching a motivated Aerts, this time with little to loose.

With such big names in the reserve, there's little to make true SUPERfights, the heavies division is pretty slow on new talent. I wouldn't mind watching an Abidi-Ignashov rematch, or even a Carter-Ignsashov rematch.

[Cracked_Knuckle]

I'm gonna go with Aerts vs Musashi for block a, Sefo vs Choi for block b, and that mentionned Hari vs Abidi for superfight before the finals.

[Viva Las Vegas]

"Sefo vs Mighty Mo Just cause I have wanted to see them fight, but I know it won't happen though."

That is exactly the fight I would most like to see also out of these.
Could be a great crushing fight.

[Dado]

Aerts, Hari, Slowinski and Musashi.

I seriously cant believe more people want to see Fujimoto than Slowinski? Are you guys crazy? And more would rather see Choi then would see Hari??

[Toffa]

Aerts, Slowinski, Sefo & Badr. Aerts and Sefo for obvious reasons, Slowinski has proven he can hang with the best and Badr because I want to see him get KTFO again.

On the other hand I really do not want to see Goodridge or Mighty Mo. Sure Goodridge has balls, he takes every fight but he always loses, he may look good but he always falls short in the end. I cannot even imagine him winning the GP, therefore he should not be there. Mighty Mo should not be there because well, he is bad.

[Dado]

I dont want to see Goodridge hurt again, that guy has taken a lot of late fights and has showed us he is gutsy, but that isnt a reason that he has to have to suffer so much damage from top K-1 fighters all the time. Getting knocked down so many times really isnt good for him anymore.

[alexey]

Aerts vs Musashi
Abidi vs Hari

[alexey]

I think K-1 will be doing everything they can to secure these guys because to be frank, as it stands right now the Tokyo Dome will be 3/4 empty. The only big ticket seller in the current top 8 is LeBanner so they are going to need some star-studded reserve and superfights to get asses in seats.

I expect we will get an opening fight, 2 reserve fights and at least 1 superfight.

the Tokyo Dome will be 3/4 empty? I doubt....

Though certainly Aerts, Sefo, Musashi, Abidi are necessary in a card...

[( o Y o )]

the Tokyo Dome will be 3/4 empty? I doubt....

3/4 may be an exaggeration, but even with most of the fighters there they had 3000 tickets left at the Osaka Jo. Subtract a great deal of the selling fighters and multiply the seating capacity by about 4 and you can imagine the current atmosphere in FEG. The choice of who fights in the reserves and superfights will be the difference between this being considered a successful event or not.

[alexey]

3/4 may be an exaggeration, but even with most of the fighters there they had 3000 tickets left at the Osaka Jo. Subtract a great deal of the selling fighters and multiply the seating capacity by about 4 and you can imagine the current atmosphere in FEG. The choice of who fights in the reserves and superfights will be the difference between this being considered a successful event or not.


It seems to me of mood of public are unpredictable enough.


For example

2003

Botha vs Abidi
Bonjasky - Graham
Sefo-Musashi
Aerts - Ignashov

Holm - Nortje
Bregy - Williams

No LeBanner, no Hoost, no Sapp. No Hunt. 3 newcomer (Botha, Bonjasky, Graham). Nortje, Bregy, Williams, Holm also. No freak, like Choi or Sapp. But ~ 68000 in Dome.


2005

Choi - Bonjasky
Schilt - Sefo
LeBanner - Aerts
Musashi - Karaev

Goodridge - Feitosa
Hari - Leko

Sefo, LeBanner, Aerts In. Superfreake Choi. Bonjasky is already 2 time champion. Strong newcomer Schilt, Karaev. But "only" 59000 in Dome.


I hope, that good fights are necessary to public, instead of is simple names. A current 2006 card - excellent

[( o Y o )]

It seems to me of mood of public are unpredictable enough.

Not really....2003/2004 we were in a kakutougi boom in Japan.....that started dying soon after Dynamite 2004 and has continued to.

On top of that, both PRIDE and K-1 have continued to inflate their official numbers to make it appear the drop has not been nearly as bad as it really is.

[alexey]

3/4 may be an exaggeration, but even with most of the fighters there they had 3000 tickets left at the Osaka Jo. Subtract a great deal of the selling fighters and multiply the seating capacity by about 4 and you can imagine the current atmosphere in FEG. The choice of who fights in the reserves and superfights will be the difference between this being considered a successful event or not.


It is very strange.... 2006 elims card is much better than 2005 elimcard.

And Sapp vs Choi >>>> JLB vs Choi???

[Lord Gaul]

I didn't like how the Hari fight ended so he was my obvious first choice. I want Sefo simply for entertainment purposes. I love Slowinski so I would like to see him in any type of match/ And My other option is for either Iggy or Cyril. We didn't see nearly enough Cyril this year and I will back Iggy until he retires so his name is automatic on any K-1 card.

I am also tempted to add Aerts simply because Aerts not being there is just wierd.

[Shinbone]

I picked Aerts, Musashi, Sefo and Slowinsky. Aerts and Sefo just deserve this based on their reputations only. Musashi, Japanese hope in scary days. Slowinsky because I really like his style and he is a very good fighter. Although he needs some small adjustments to make.

Choi I did not chose because his fights are boring to me. Maybe in a superfight.

[alexey]

Aerts vs Musashi
Abidi vs Hari

If 3 superfight

+ Ignashov vs Choi. Only Iggy now can (may be) Ko choi....

[Anjew]

Sefo vs Hari, yes I want him KO´d again, by my favorite fighter... :)

I´d love to see Iggy back, maybe vs Slowinski

Definitely Sefo should be in the reserve fight, so I guess it should be then Ray vs Musashi... :) Thinking of Hoost and JLB, I guess the reserve fighter has a big chance to participate this year...

[Blindo]

Sefo vs Aerts
Slowinski vs Hari

[tonypol]

i voted with :Choi ,Aerts ,Sefo and Hari(alias big mouth)

and i want: Choi vs Hari
Aerts vs Sefo

Choi vs Hari -i want to see ,how hari will face the situation ...
Aerts vs Sefo -2 greats fighters ...will be a good fight

or
Chioi vs Aerts-if Aerts can't down Choi(Schilt,Jerome,Bonjasky..can't do this) then nobody cant do ...
Hari vs Sefo- ofcourse ..i want again a ko ....may be Hari will understant his situation and he will not talk soooo muchh..

[krs]

I voted exactly the same: Aerts, Sefo, Choi and Hari.

Aerts because he couldn't be in the Elims
Sefo because he's a veteran who deserves to be there
Choi because he did a good fight against Lebanner and lost only by few points.
Hari because his fight had a "controversial ending".

I wouldn't put Aerts and Sefo versus each other, because they're two veterans and the fight might turn a little too much strategic.
Sefo vs Choi would be amusing knowing the great punching of Sefo and his good resistance, Aerts vs Choi too so we could see if the "brickwall" can stand Aerts kicks.


I'm glad many of you would like to see Cyril fighting. I'll let him know for sure.
He isn't recovered yet, so he's more planning on fighting in 2007 only so he can train properly and show a good performance.
That said, K1 will probably call him (as they did for almost every other events this year, including the September Elims) so we'll see at the moment, and as always I'll let you know.

Cyril vs Hari would be very nice to see...

[K1power]

I voted Choi, Sefo, Aerts and Musashi.

I chose Aerts and Sefo mainly because of bias, lol.
Musashi because he's on a losing streak and I think he deserves another shot.
Choi because he had such a close fight with JLB to the point where I wouldn't have complained had he been picked as the winner after the extra round. Besides if his improving continues soon the only thing freakish about him will be his size, because he'll have some serious fighting skills.

Having said that I would always back having either Cyril or Iggy there!

[zymogen]

Aerts vs Hari
Sefo vs Musashi

These four can always put up a good fight, and Hari/Aerts and Sefo/Musashi match physically well.

[sparkles]

I think K-1 wants to keep the finals freak free and that's also why they matched Choi with JLB. They do want to use him as commercial milk cow (he's fully aware of it) but it would surprise me if they let him fight at the finals event unless they really want to score commercially on the Korean market.
They could offer Hari a match because of what happened, but he didn't even deserve to be at the eliminations.

Sefo would be a good choice. Aerts definetely too. Musashi is japanese so he will get his spot too for sure (only japanese fighter). So there is one more fighter needed...

[Tommy_Arashikage]

Sefo, Aerts, and Musashi because they are three important names in K-1 history and Hari because maybe it will soothe him a little to get a shot at a reserve spot.

[( o Y o )]

At the end of the day, I think Aerts, Sefo and Musashi all deserve to be in the GP more than Hoost. i expect that will ruffle a few feathers, but they have all fought their asses off over the past two years beating some top competition while Hoost fought once and lost and walked into the Elims having not qualified with a gimme opponent he was supposed to destroy.

I love Hoost, but that is the way I see it. So we have the three most deserving and one extra. The choice here is to go with deserving (a very strong arguement could be made for Choi here), or entertaining.

[Dado]

Well for that extra one I think the most deserving would be Slowinski.

He has fought all year, has won the Oceania tournament and not to mention had that really tough fight with Glaube.

[( o Y o )]

I'd not be upset with another fighter from Oceania getting a shot too.

I am not too sure what K-1 think about him though. I mean the guy is tough as nails and doesn't back down from a fight, but he is also bread and butter rather than flashy. His next fight he really needs to go for it I think. I didn't think he would be able to stop Glaube, but I think everyone thought he would and could have stopped Tomihira in Sapporo. I expect if he goes balls to the wall next time, he might earn himself a spot in a regional GP/superfight in Legas or something, which is a good step for him experience-wise.

[Jules]

I did not vote Peter as I want to see a fight, and I am a bit jaded that he will either have to pull out, or end up hurting himself in the opening minutes :(

[Jules]

Oh, and Abidi vs. Iggy superfight would also be fun with both in good condition.

[alexey]

I'd not be upset with another fighter from Oceania getting a shot too.

I am not too sure what K-1 think about him though. I mean the guy is tough as nails and doesn't back down from a fight, but he is also bread and butter rather than flashy. His next fight he really needs to go for it I think. I didn't think he would be able to stop Glaube, but I think everyone thought he would and could have stopped Tomihira in Sapporo. I expect if he goes balls to the wall next time, he might earn himself a spot in a regional GP/superfight in Legas or something, which is a good step for him experience-wise.

As a following step for him...

May be

Slowinski vs Mighty Mo
Slowinski vs Abidi
Slowinski vs Karaev
Slowinski vs Hari

[urdum]

Did Peter Aers vs Ray Sefo ever happen? Well I voted for this one, and Ill hope we can see that in the finals.

And I would like to see Abidi vs Hari. If Abidi is recovered off course

[Shinbone]

Did Peter Aers vs Ray Sefo ever happen? Well I voted for this one, and Ill hope we can see that in the finals.

And I would like to see Abidi vs Hari. If Abidi is recovered off course

Yes, Aerts vs Sefo happend two times before.

First in 2000 where Peter KO'd Ray on low kicks in the 4 th round and in 2002 where Peter 'lost' his fight, split decision. Many think Aerts won and I tend to agree, because Peter scored way more than Ray, since letting youself be kicked doesn't score any points.

[( o Y o )]

Did Peter Aers vs Ray Sefo ever happen?

Yep....latest was 2002 GP opener if I remember correctly. Felix and I still disagree on who won that fight....that was the year LeBanner had his arm trashed and Hoost had the sun shining out his ass.

[( o Y o )]

since letting youself be kicked doesn't score any points.

Nor does eating bombs and getting rocked ;-)

[urdum]

that was the year LeBanner had his arm trashed and Hoost had the sun shining out his ass.

lol:D

Thnx guys I didnt know that they had fought twice.

[Shinbone]

Nor does eating bombs and getting rocked ;-)

Eating those bombs and getting rocked was indeed not a good impression peter made. , I think Peter won, also when you take into consideration the amount of damages Ray took. He limbed away to the dressing room, 3 kicks of ernesto in his next fight and he was limbing again.

Plus Ray rocked Peter a few times, but in the entire match, Peter scored more, I guess. Maybe a extra round would have been better.


Points will be awarded in this priority.
1Number of downs (None)
2Extent of damage inflicted on the opponent (Peter won IMHO, Ray's legs were a mess, not taking his injury into account)
3Number of clean hits (maybe Ray with the hard bombs, but Aerts made more hits, scoring more.)
4Degree of aggressiveness (points in the offensive) (draw, slight advantage of Peter)

[( o Y o )]

Eating those bombs and getting rocked was indeed not a good impression peter made. , I think Peter won, also when you take into consideration the amount of damages Ray took. He limbed away to the dressing room, 3 kicks of ernesto in his next fight and he was limbing again.

Plus Ray rocked Peter a few times, but in the entire match, Peter scored more, I guess. Maybe a extra round would have been better.


Points will be awarded in this priority.
1Number of downs (None)
2Extent of damage inflicted on the opponent (Peter won IMHO, Ray's legs were a mess, not taking his injury into account)
3Number of clean hits (maybe Ray with the hard bombs, but Aerts made more hits, scoring more.)
4Degree of aggressiveness (points in the offensive) (draw, slight advantage of Peter)

We will need to disagree then, as during the fight Ray never showed any damage while Peter did get rocked. You cannot judge a fight by how someone walks back to the dressingroom AFTER the fight.....if that were the case Leko badly lost against Sefo last week as post fight he could barely walk and Ray was fine.
The next fight didnPt last long enough for Hoost to cause any damage either....Ray kicked with his damaged leg early (not damaged by Peter, but in training) and went down immediately....from a checked kick.

[Shinbone]

We will need to agree:)

Ray didn't show any damage during the fight, but his legs were damaged from multiple low kicks, and judges should know that. I agree with you that Peter was rocked and looked uncertain at times. But he was rocked like one or two times in that fight, if I remember correctly.

I also agree that you cannot judge after the fight, but at the end of the fight Peter was doing well and he didn't show any problems with his head, dizzy or something.

I know that Ray was injured before the Aerts fight, and he went down on a checked kick. Before Hoost checked the kick, Ray was visible hurt on his left thigh during the lows from Hoost. Peter did the ground work.

Anyway, it was a very close fight and it depends how you score the fight and what you think scores more.

People underestimate and do tend to ignore to score low kicks well, low kick are snipers.

oh one thing...In the second round where Ray did his hands down and Peter jabs him a few times and gave him a few big low kickes, that were all scores from Peter's side. Ray is a tough guy just taking them, but he didn't score anything with it.

I just looked at the clean hits and not did not judje Ray's taunting ans show boating.

[( o Y o )]

Ray didn't show any damage during the fight,




Peter was rocked and looked uncertain at times


We will need to agree:)

See those two points above? We agree on them ;-) Thats why I gave it to Ray. Aerts may have landed more, while Ray landed more very hard shots that snapped Aerts head or knocked him off balance.

Guess it depends on whether you score a solid shot that snaps someones head back higher than a couple of taps, or not.

[Shinbone]

Yes, we a agee on those two points above.

Snapping the head back scores a lot, but like a said a few hard low kicks are neglected and they also score a lot, plus a couple of hard knees and punches as well. (from Peter's side)

And don't forget and I think CKO is with me, we talking K-1 KICKboxing, it is not boxing, and therefore I tend to score kicks (hard and effective ones) more than punches. (k-1 rules punch = equeal to kicks, but still)

But I think we cannot come to an agreement, it was a close fight, a tie breaker could have given a clearer picture of the fight.

[danvari]

I voted for Sefo, Aerts, Slowinski and other.

Sefo really deserves another chance, he didn't fight as well as he could in this fight, but we all know he is a great fighter and let us hope that he for once gets his lucky break in the finals. It would be a true cinderella story if he showed up in the shape of his life this GP and from the reserves went into the semifinals and ended up winning the whole thing.

Aerts is aerts, nuff said.

Slowinski is a good fighter and it would be fun to see him get a second chance, i personally believe that he would win over some of the newer additions to K-1.

And finally my mysterious other choice. Jörgen Kruth. I'm a bit biased, but I really think that he's a great fighter and that his reputation for being boring is quite a bit undeserved. He is a great technical thaiboxer with the hardest damn kicks I've seen in K-1 and I think that he might be able to do really well in the K-1. Can't they put him up against Badr Hari or Ruslan in some kind of superfight someday to give him a chance to build his reputation up?

[Rockatansky]

voted for the Great Duke of the Dutch his Highness Aerts, and Sefo, Slowinski and the other being Sir Chief Graham.

[alexey]

voted for the Great Duke of the Dutch his Highness Aerts, and Sefo, Slowinski and the other being Sir Chief Graham.

it is official

Aerts vs Musashi
Sefo vs Choi
Hari vs TBA