TUF 4 Discussion Thread

[Titan]

Discussion thread for you guys and girls following and wanting to talk, praise, complain, you-name-it about season four of the Ultimate Fighter show: http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/

***DO NOT POST SPOILERS OF THE FINALISTS IN THIS THREAD!!***

[migo]

Very impressed with Matt Serra, he really makes a good coach. Shonie Carter looked a bit stiff and awkward, but he avoided getting hit hard so I guess that works. I actually figured Clementi should have gotten the decision based on a couple tight armbars, but I guess submission attempts don't count for much in the eyes of UFC judges.

[( o Y o )]

Loved the show. Way less on the reality TV drama this time, and more on the fighters themselves. I was extremely impressed with Serra and hope he wins his fight so he will be there awhile.

[Paul T]

Loved the show. Way less on the reality TV drama this time, and more on the fighters themselves. I was extremely impressed with Serra and hope he wins his fight so he will be there awhile.

I was thinking the same thing. It seemed a little stripped down
and much better for those of us who follow fight sports as opposed
to those who just enjoy reality tv. I hope they keep it up for the season.

go team Mojo!

[TrojanStud]

Rich Clementi mouths off big and get a slice of humblepie! Nuttin against him but can't help lovin' it when things play out like that.... Shonie got the fight where he wanted it & at his distance. Rich worked submissions but Shonie escaped them. Escaped submissions are failed attempts? The escapes worked good for him, got him to look extra more in charge. Shonie had the perfect gameplan & cornerman for the job....

[RedHawk]

There's alot of good fighters on this show. I think that TUF4 will be the best because of that.

[migs]

Yeah Serra seems like an awesome coach. Shonie is still the same as always...skilled and naturally tough but he won't quite cut it IMO.

I was in and out of the room a bit but where the fuck was Pat Cote? He's probably going to win it all, so I thought they woudl build him up more.

[Toffa]

I was very happy and excited about this show because I am a big fan of Serra, his coaching during the fight annoyed me a bit though. I immedietely became a fan of Mickey Burnett, I hope he can do well also. One thing about this show is the fact that some guys like Shonie, Dewees etc have absolutely zero chance of giving even a good fight if they win TUF against their respective champs.

[krikit]

I think all welterweights on the show have 0.5% chance vs Matt Hughes.

[seese]

I think all welterweights on the show have 0.5% chance vs Matt Hughes.

Teamed up or 1on1?

[migo]

Serra has a shot, he went to a decision with BJ.

[Grant Ellis]

Very impressed with Matt Serra, he really makes a good coach. Shonie Carter looked a bit stiff and awkward, but he avoided getting hit hard so I guess that works. I actually figured Clementi should have gotten the decision based on a couple tight armbars, but I guess submission attempts don't count for much in the eyes of UFC judges.

They don't really count for anything in traditional submission grappling scoring either. In fact, the other guy can gain points if he uses the opportunity to escape and improve position.

I thought Shonie had them defended fairly easily myself, but you have to respect Clementi for fighting at the pace he did and the attempts he made both standing and on the ground.

[Grant Ellis]

Serra has a shot, he went to a decision with BJ.

At 155.

I think Serra is a little too small, but he definitly has the ground game to win.

[migo]

Yeah, I know submission attempts only score in Pride, but it's something I disagree with. BJ also used to be 155 and he beat Matt. Serra's also got better standup than Hughes (really, who doesn't?).

[MZN]

TUF competitors rarely stay at the weight they fought at during the show so Serra and others can easily go down again to their former weightclasses even in losing the title shot they might win and lose eventually.

Controling the damage in that title shot will be the issue for them. By that I mean showing at least some leads of a good fighter and don't lose too obvious...

[Grant Ellis]

You can't underrate Serra's wrestling either.

Hughes is much larger and stronger though, but anything can happen.

Serra has never shown me that he has better standup than Hughes, but niether are well respected strikers.

Serra vs. Menjivar is one of the best fights around.

Anything can happen!

[( o Y o )]

Whats day is this shown in the US this time?

[Desdichado]

Whats day is this shown in the US this time?
Thursdays.

[( o Y o )]

cheers

[( o Y o )]

The fourth season premiere of The Ultimate Fighter drew a 1.7 overall rating on August 17th, which was down slightly from the third season premiere of the series.

While the overall rating of 1.7 is well above Spike TV's recent primetime average rating of 0.9, it falls short of the record-tying 2.0 rating that was drawn by the season premiere of The Ultimate Fighter 3 earlier this year.


http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2520&zoneid=2

[Paul T]

wow. that was a great deal of blood. . . . . .

[Grant Ellis]

Serra vs. Laimon next episode?

Good deal.

[migo]

I love the preview for Episode 3 where Matt Serra is talking about how he dislikes Marc Laimon. That's one more guy who thinks Laimon is a douche, and this time it's a BJJ Black Belt who trained with Renzo Gracie and is an awesome coach himself.

[Paul T]

Serra vs. Laimon next episode?

Good deal.

Laimon is a trainer for the show, not a contestant......

[TrojanStud]

Episode makes me go I waited 1 week for this??? Wow. Gideon and Edwin deserve that 0-2 Ufc record. 0-3 both and send them home.

Y'know..... Edwin is cut galore and some taps bust it open to stoppage, any fighter knows you go after cuts. stick him with punches right there, it easy

Gideon Ray never threw down on his feet, no punches. Guy starts a round with failed spinning headkick, land on his ass & can't get up. He's already been useless on mat but opts risky kicks over straight punches.

Gideon gets nowhere on mat. Gideon got out of guard, Edwin is bleeding but Gideon can't smell stoppage ... he stands and fires thighkicks at Edwin on his back. Back off and ref will stand you up to hunt the cut!! Right?? Wrong. Gideon jumps back in his guard after 2 really bad rounds on the mat.

Effective elbows to Edwin's thigh the final seconds of final extra round. Nevermind the cut.

There's so many wrongs with that fight, ain't even funny.

ZERO GAMEPLAN

[Grant Ellis]

Laimon is a trainer for the show, not a contestant......


I know that, but I meant it in the same way as "Tait-er Tot vs. Ken Shamrock" and so on and so forth :X

[FieldingMellish]

Decent episode but this week they seemed to go too far in the direction of just training/fight than I'd like. This show needs some of the house based shenanigans and bitchfests. Looks like we'll get it next week with Serra and Laimon.

Serra is definitely becoming the star of the show (I cracked up at his little digs at Kenny and Tito) but I'd quite like a week where we don't hear him screaming his head off for 10 or 15 minutes.

Like TrojanStud, I wasn't really impressed with either Dewees or Ray in this one. The idea of either of those two challenging for Franklin's title is pretty laughable.

[Grant Ellis]

Well, at least we know neither of them are talented enough to compete on that level...hence DeWees getting easily armbarred by TUF "I LOST TWO FIGHTS IN A ROW :( :( :(" Star Chris Leben, and Gideon Ray getting pummeled in a handful of seconds by Mike Swick.

I actually thought they might do a little better with some of the better fighters we have on the show (Serra, Jorge Rivera, Chris Lytle) and maybe "TUF All-Stars" like Swick, Koscheck, and Pointon. ;)

[( o Y o )]

It was quite a lackluster fight after an uneventful show. A bit sad really as last week really started things off well.

[Grant Ellis]

I wasn't bored by the fight, I was more concerned it would be stopped and Gideon would win... but yeah, I mean, not a lot happened.

Takedown, pass, no pounding, subtle submission...then a late last minute reversal by Gideon, every round.

[zymogen]

This episode wasn't so exciting. The fight was almost disgusting. I don't mind seeing a little bit of blood, but when it comes out in a steady flow... so thick... eeuwww! For what do they have doctor stoppages then if not for this?

[FieldingMellish]

I was starting to feel more than a little queasy about the blood, and I've seen some horrible bloodfests in pro wrestling. This was probably the second worst I've ever seen in either pro wrestling or fighting.

Nasty stuff.

[Grant Ellis]

His head was just pouring out blood.

His whole hair changed colors.

[migo]

and Gideon Ray getting pummeled in a handful of seconds by Mike Swick.

To be fair, Swick will most likely do the same to Loiseau.

I wasn't bothered at all by the blood, he was cut but wasn't hurt otherwise. The gushing blood from Kevin Jordan when Gonzaga superman punched him made me feel a little queasy, but he went down from that hit too.

[zymogen]

A question on the blood topic: are fighters tested on a regular basis for diseases like HIV or Hepatitis?

[( o Y o )]

I expect they are.....I know for a fact they are in K-1.

[ANdYX]

I laughed my ass of to Shonie, Charles McCarthy it is not you..!

[Toffa]

I laughed my ass of to Shonie, Charles McCarthy it is not you..!

Yes! That was hilarious, I take back everything bad I have ever said about Shonie.

I didnt feel the fight was that bad, I had no trouble watching it. Although Dewees is never ever going to beat Franklin I think he is a good fighter and I hope he gets back into the UFC. I thought he should have won without the extra round easily, and that hook kick by Ray was the dumbest idea ever.

[migo]

A question on the blood topic: are fighters tested on a regular basis for diseases like HIV or Hepatitis?

Yes, not allowed to fight in Nevada without blood tests. Regulations vary from organisation and athletic commission. Some require tests within 30 days of the fights, others require tests within a year.

[zymogen]

Thanks for the answers! :)

[MZN]

I once read in a Dutch rulebook on the I.M.A. that used to regulate most Dutch MMA fights that the ref has the discretion to stop a fight when for whatever reason continuing is considered bad for the sport.

At one point I wouldn't really be bothered if they stopped it as they have to broadcast it on cable tv. On the other hand the approach of educating people into mma doesn't seem work as good as the blood 'n gore approach and as long as the doc says it's ok well why not. Edwin was winning :P

[Ross Ellis]

That was one of the damn bloodiest matches I have ever seen. As far as just blood contantly pouring at a time. He dyed Kool-aid in there, I swear he did. He won, but that was a little tough for me to watch. A little awkward the way it happened, but anyways this looks to be the best TUF so far. I can't wait to see Laimon and Serra brawl it up! Well, the HAMMUH NEEDS TO BE LAYED!

[MZN]

The length of the show predicted a short fight and actually I completely missed the guillotine and was baffeled by Spratt tapping.

I think it was a well chosen matchup by team Mojo but an anticlimax nonetheless.

[Grant Ellis]

Decent show, glad to see Lytle win.

I thought the trick they played on Shonie was hilarious.

[krikit]

Pretty boring episodes. Felt like half of it was recaps of old UFC fights.

[Paul T]

I want to see that Jeremy Jackson fight. When they were giving
previews of him, i assumed he was going to be fighting.

His hands and movement look very good, and i look forward to his turn.

[migo]

I guess they want to surprise us. Last week they wanted to make us think it was Charles McCarthy. Next week we'll be second guessing if they're going to follow the trend or actually show the fight of who they're talking about.

[( o Y o )]

I want to see that Jeremy Jackson fight. When they were giving
previews of him, i assumed he was going to be fighting.

His hands and movement look very good, and i look forward to his turn.

Me too, I was getting all hyped up, and I was ultimately let down in a fight there was no striking in. LOL

The episode was OK, but not too much of anything happened. It was a bit of a non-event. They fact they are building up guys in the house is great though. People will probably watch now next week hoping to see JJ fight.

[migo]

Someone on a different forum was suggesting that Jeremy Jackson would go AWOL, and they were showing him because he might get kicked off.

[( o Y o )]

Ah, that makes some sense....Dana did make a point of him having delt with lots of personal problems so that might have been a teaser.

[TrojanStud]

Fight wasn't much, Pete Spratt gotta train submissions, for real. Last 4 losses 2002 to this day been to submissions so why's he not good at it already? 4 years to train

Marc Laimon sounded like an ass. Fits all stories told about him & they can't all be wrong. Ain't much to like about him. I ain't a Rickson fanatic and don't know a whole lot there, but he's fought good fighters, some fights on video like Machado. Fighters that's rolled with him says it spectacular. It ain't only hearsay like Marc said. Good Matt Serra weren't caught up in Marc's nonsense and I think Matt came out looking like the better person.

This show need some drama like right now, coz it's mad padded with old fights. Looks like next week delivers.....?

[Toffa]

I think they had to have an in-depth analysis of the fighter's previous matches because the fight itself only went for like 2minutes. Thats 13minutes less than last fight and there is a limit to the amount of Shonie antics.

[migo]

I guess they really should have tried to get Nick Diaz on there...

[Paul T]

Me too, I was getting all hyped up, and I was ultimately let down in a fight there was no striking in. LOL

The episode was OK, but not too much of anything happened. It was a bit of a non-event. They fact they are building up guys in the house is great though. People will probably watch now next week hoping to see JJ fight.

i was dissapointed to see this Jackson character go.
Now we will not get to see him let his hands go.

[Grant Ellis]

Well, we got to see a Royce Gracie black belt and friend of RattleSnake840 beat a man last night.

I don't think the remaining welterweights match up well against the grey team though.

[FieldingMellish]

Jackson is the biggest tool since Noah Inhofer.

And even though I expected Lutter to own Smith I never thought it'd be quite that easy.

[Toffa]

I was so sad :( This talk of Jeremy living in his car made me want him to win, I hope Dana gives him a chance on an UFN. He just wanted a bit, and if he was able to get a perfect stranger to meet him at midnight after 5minutes of talking, well he has got skills. Dana should have just given him a stern warning.

The fight itself was very disapointing, I have no idea why they chose Scott Smith to fight Lutter, surely Sell or Cote would have been better style matchups.

[FieldingMellish]

Jackson deserved to get kicked off the show. After watching 3 seasons of this he thought that was going to be accepted? What an idiot.

It also pissed me off how he talked about being chucked out by women. Seems like he leeches onto women for a few months until he pisses them off by boinking their friends and thye chuck him out.

Was pretty disgusted to find out he's got a kid as well. If he had any kind of commitment to his child he'd take a day job to earn some money instead of bitching about living in his car and blowing his big chance by being a dick.

[( o Y o )]

Jackson deserved to get kicked off the show.

Leben got away with it ;-)

[( o Y o )]

I just read about JJ elsewhere "Even though he was kicked off the show he did land a 3 year contract with the UFC. Much like how you see most all people that lose on that show pop back up on Ultimate Fight Night's. So sometime after the completion of the show expect to see him on a Ultimate Fight Night."

[FieldingMellish]

I just read about JJ elsewhere "Even though he was kicked off the show he did land a 3 year contract with the UFC. Much like how you see most all people that lose on that show pop back up on Ultimate Fight Night's. So sometime after the completion of the show expect to see him on a Ultimate Fight Night."

Him landing a 3 year contract sounds like bullshit. 3 fights perhaps but 3 years would be a winners contract and that doesn't make sense.

Realistically practically all of these guys should be popping up on UFC shows since they've all been there before and there's no novices or people who just aren't any good at all in the house this time. Even Danny Abbaddi and Mike Nickels are fioghting in UFC now.

But as for Leben - he did that during the first season when the consequences weren't so obvious. Plus he was obviously being groomed as the star of that season from the beginning. Jackson was just some guy in the house and shoulkd never have taken such a completely idiotic risk.

[migo]

I don't feel all that sorry for him, after a point you've gotta realize there's something wrong with you if you consistently get kicked out by your gfs when you get broke. It's also ridiculous to think you'll win a fight and it'll solve all your financial problems when you manage to consistently screw yourself.

[FieldingMellish]

I don't feel all that sorry for him, after a point you've gotta realize there's something wrong with you if you consistently get kicked out by your gfs when you get broke. It's also ridiculous to think you'll win a fight and it'll solve all your financial problems when you manage to consistently screw yourself.

Exactly.

And besides, he'd only been in the house for 2 weeks or so at that point.

Doesn't he have any self control?

Surely he's master of his domain?

[( o Y o )]

I wouldn`t mind betting he was added in part due to his "personal issues" as his inevitable fuck up would make decent viewing in the eyes of the producers.

[FieldingMellish]

I wouldn`t mind betting he was added in part due to his "personal issues" as his inevitable fuck up would make decent viewing in the eyes of the producers.

Very true.

At least it helped make this episode more notable than the last couple anyway.

[TrojanStud]

I hate the Contender but it hands down silly-slapped this week's Ultimate Fighter. It's that bad. TUF4 need a vitamin injection, these fights don't cut it........

[Paul T]

that was over quick.

I knew it was going to be a short fight when they spent so much time
on stupid stuff like the empty bottles in the swimming pool.

If they do not have enough material, why cant they show some training?

Anyway, good fight for Din.

[Global Honored]

What did the lifeguard look like anyways? Pics? And where is that YMCA? B/C a couple of us could go bring some cameras and act like we're on TV. If she's hot of course. Seemed to have worked for Double J.

[Grant Ellis]

Exactly.

And besides, he'd only been in the house for 2 weeks or so at that point.

Doesn't he have any self control?

Surely he's master of his domain?


LORD OF THE MANOR!

[Paul T]

this week's show was one where i rather wish i had just used my fast forward button

[FieldingMellish]

LORD OF THE MANOR!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Wondered who would pick up on the reference. Should have known you would!

Perhaps because you're ....................... KING OF THE COUNTY.

[FieldingMellish]

this week's show was one where i rather wish i had just used my fast forward button

I think that with an audience and commentators, that fight would have been seen as pretty good. Think it really suffered from the lack of atmosphere, just as the show itself is suffering from a total lack of drama. Its feeling tired and formulaic. Every week is the same and I'm sick of knowing exactly how long each fight is going to last based on when it starts. It takes away so much of the drama.

And I have a funny feeling Spratt is actually going to beat Serra next week too.

Will be interesating to see if Matt Serra shouts advice to himself during the fight.

[( o Y o )]

I'm not sure if my expectations were too high for this show after the first episode or what, but I really am not enjoying it as much as the last series even though it should be WAY better. Maybe I'm just too used to the formula now, or like someone else said....I[m getting a bit tired of knowing how the fight will go depending on when they start it etc. Perhaps it is because we are not getting much coach/fighter relationship stuff or much training footage etc...

[Grant Ellis]

Last season was probably the best.

You had a lot of good fights, good teams, good clash of the coaches, and some real drama between the fighters.

And of course the Brits.

This season you have some allright fights, but it is like watching a very very slow version of old ufc dvds.

[migs]

I picked Pat Cote to win since I heard he was there but where the fuck is he??

I only catch the show in bits and pieces cause I usually work nights but I don't think I have seen him aside from in the background or corner...is he injured? Still competing? Camerashy? Anybody know?

[Toffa]

He is there he just doesnt get alot of camera time. There was talk of him fighting but that fell through because of that rash. I think anyway.

[Paul T]

I picked Pat Cote to win since I heard he was there but where the fuck is he??

I only catch the show in bits and pieces cause I usually work nights but I don't think I have seen him aside from in the background or corner...is he injured? Still competing? Camerashy? Anybody know?

looks like he will be on fighting next week (Oct 5).

this week was over 50% filler before they got to the
previews and clips of fights. man, they need to shake it up a little.

[MZN]

Coté was on this week a lot. I also had a laugh or two but indeed when the fight is short the overall episode tends to focus a bit too much on futilities...

[zymogen]

They spoiled the result of the fight in this episode. Halfway through it you could see Serra with the injury he got later. He was talking happily about Captain Miserable, so I assumed he would win.

[Grant Ellis]

Cote
cote cote cote
cooooooteeeeee, cooooooooooooteee

[TrojanStud]

Been a while posting but show ain't gimme much of a reason....... no action, no drama, no fun fights. TUF wasn't perfect. Early seasons got drama overkill and challenges and stuff, but why ain't it balanced already.....?

4th season - it's edited like they blind try stuff to see what works. Drama, training, interviews and fights..... The guys are so boring there's no drama? OK - but training gotta give editing material!? Something other than guys in sweatsuits on bikes and runners!

It so actiondrained they milk old UFC clips on all they got. Cut down on it!!!! Ain't no training or fights to speak of, stacked with prehistoric UFC fights. Ended with a predictable fight. 15 mins left of the show or 5 mins at fighttime and you know how it gonna go. Show the fight earlier and add some soapish drama after it.

I don't even know why I'm watching, maybe coz I badly want someone in house to go ballistics?! None of these guys will make it past the 1st with the champ. They got no business fighting the champ.

Hows viewer ratings this season?

[migo]

The Shonie drama was decent.

[seese]

The Shonie drama was decent.

At best..

[Grant Ellis]

even still, 25 minutes of shonie talking about going to train with the other guys is hardly something that excites me.

I just had the damn cote song stuck in my head for a week though.

[( o Y o )]

last two episodes I`m FF'ing most of the show until the fight...stopping here and there to see if they are talking about anything interesting...

[Titan]

I've been following the show, and I have to agree with most of you. It's a slow and boring show, and nothing/nobody sticks out, except Matt Serra's voice. And I can't say any of the fighters have improved, because I haven't seen them evolve in training or seen them fight there. It seems like they've gone in with the mindset to beat the competition on the way to a title-shot, but not taken advantage of the trainers to get ready for a fight with the champion. I mean, if they were championship material, they wouldn't be on the show. They need training to get to the next level, and I'd been hoping the trainers would unleash one of these fighters potential. However, it doesn't seem to materialize.

[Grant Ellis]

Which is sad, because we have Randy, GSP, Franklin, Chuck, and now Hughes coming up...

[( o Y o )]

anyone think the writing was on the wall so they brought Franklin, Chuck and Hughes in to try and bump interest?

[Necrio]

half the TUF episode is lookback on the fighters previous UFC fights. and one 1/4 of whats left is some kind of bs thats going on in the house and then last 1/4 is the acuall fight... the fact that they barely show anything that they do in training, except for a few edited fastpased scens with sparring, the most of 1min per ep. imho they need to change the direction of the show.

[FieldingMellish]

Hows viewer ratings this season?

Totally unsurprisingly, TUF4's ratings are the lowest in the show's history. Zuffa are trying to blame being on opposite the NFL and that will have some impact when there's a Thursday night game but the truth is if the show was better more people would be watching.

[Paul T]

anyone watch Serra versus Shonie Carter?

It was a good fight, and Carter looks hard to put down.

I was surprised to see Serra get caught with the back fist in round one!

[MZN]

I did see it and I liked it. I do think though that I'm non representative cuz I gennerally enjoy this season where others were bored to death.

Serra won at least round 2 and 3 and looked really poised but seriously lacks reach and sometime did wrong in trying to kick Shonie.

The finals I think it should be Lytle and Serra should go to 155 after that.

[Charuto]

I was surprised to see Serra get caught with the back fist in round one! I couldn't stop laughing. LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES DAMMIT!!!

Seriously though, this is the first episode of the season I've watched in its entirety. That Hughes, Serra, Laimon thing was uncomfortable. Serra made Laimon look like a bitch (even if I don't subscribe to the respect all pro fighters because they are pro fighters deal). What's the deal with the animosity between him and Royce?

[Paul T]

interesting to see the number of posts to go down down down
as this series contines.

THis last week was not a bad episode, although i skipped about 20
minutes till the fights. Looks like Lutter is going to advance.

[( o Y o )]

interesting to see the number of posts to go down down down
as this series contines.

I was thinking the same thing. I watched the show on Friday and was totally uninspired to post anything about it. Hell, the "house war" took as much of the show as the fight did I think.

[migs]

I only saw the first few episodes. I caught the last few minutes of the fights a couple times since but I can't be bothered watching it or taping it cause it really isn't that entertaining. I thought it would be better.

I will watch the finals though.

[migo]

My external hard drive died, so I can't download as much anymore. I'm sticking to TV shows I actually like a lot.

[FieldingMellish]

I couldn't stop laughing. LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES DAMMIT!!!

Seriously though, this is the first episode of the season I've watched in its entirety. That Hughes, Serra, Laimon thing was uncomfortable. Serra made Laimon look like a bitch (even if I don't subscribe to the respect all pro fighters because they are pro fighters deal). What's the deal with the animosity between him and Royce?

The Serra-Laimon stuff was the absolute highlight of the series to me.

Practically everything else has been awful.

And I have NO idea why I haven't quit watching either. I must be a masochist. Ah well, just one episode and the final to go.

[Toffa]

I did see it and I liked it. I do think though that I'm non representative cuz I gennerally enjoy this season where others were bored to death.

Im with you there, I have enjoyed this season too. While there may not have been any tantrums with fists going through doors and 'fatherless bastard' insults, I havent had any trouble sitting through episodes. Besides, Mikey tried to run through a wall lol.

[Toffa]

Definitely not a surprising result. Cote was obviously bigger than Dewees and the difference in size and strength was just too much. A bit disapointing, I hoped Bam Bam would do well, hopefully he can go down to 170 and become a contender as he gets older.

Sad news about Mikey, I really hope he can come back and get a shot at the UFC again.

The highlight of the show was something Din Thomas said, it wasn't even from this week, they replayed it and I only noticed it today. Anyone catch what he said?

'I'm a bad bitch!' LOL

[Grant Ellis]

That was probably the best we have seen cote in the ufc.

[Paul T]

how about the finals this weekend? anyone watching?

[FieldingMellish]

how about the finals this weekend? anyone watching?

I bet the finals end up being good.

Hope so just to take the taste of the fucking abysmal 12 episodes away.

[heckyl]

so who is fighting again? i havent paid attention to this. i think the only fights i saw was Dewees bleeding all over and winning, and Carter/Serra 2. i hate reality tv no matter what it is im sorry.

[FieldingMellish]

so who is fighting again? i havent paid attention to this. i think the only fights i saw was Dewees bleeding all over and winning, and Carter/Serra 2. i hate reality tv no matter what it is im sorry.

Well, this season wouldn't have changed your mind. Its been wretched.

Cote vs Lutter and Serra vs Lytle.

[heckyl]

wretched is an ugly, ugly word. i dont really like those matchups too much either. i dont see any of those 4 making an impact anywhere in the big show.

[Paul T]

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.fightCard&eid=321

[Toffa]

I guess I'm in the minority again, I think Serra vs Lytle will be a great fight though Lutter vs Cote has the potential to be boring. I'd give Serra and Lytle a better shot against GSP than against Hughes. It is possible that Lutter or Cote could beat Silva I think, though more likely Lutter.