JLB declared to be the winner. Official news.

[AKA]

Here is the MSWORD document we receive from K1!


Reply to objections raised by the fighter Jerome Le Banner regarding a judgment call

Name of the tournament concerned FIELDS　K-1 WORLD GP　2006　IN　AMSTERDAM
Date of the match concerned May 13th, 2006
Venue of the match concerned Amsterdam Arena
The match concerned Jerome Le Banner　　VS 　　Remy Bonjasky
（France／Le　Banner　X　tream Team）（Holland／Mejiro Gym）


【Preconditions】
①Rule committee was held.
Per objections raised by the fighter Banner, active and authorized K-1 referees held a meeting to verify the match based on the current K-1GP judgment criteria. They discussed watching the video of the match.
②Composition of verification judges
6 Japanese and 2 Americans
③Composition of referees and judges at the sight
The referee was Japanese and 3 judges were Dutch.
④Judging on the day of the match
The fighter Remy won by a decision of ３０－３０, ２９－２８, ３０－２８, and ２－０.


【Verification】
≪Round 1≫
【The two judges supported Remy with １０－９. The remaining one judged１０－１０.】
The two judges claim that they supported Remy’s clean hit (single-shot, counter right middle)
Comparison of clean hits Punch Kick
The fighter Remy ０ １０
The fighter Banner ７ ３
【Verification】
The verification hardly showed the difference of clean hits between the two. Although Remy tended to be attacked by Banner’s pressure at the latter half of the round, it turned out that there was no difference among 1, 2, and 3, when grading according to K-1 judgment criteria of Down (1), Damage (2), Clean Hit (3), and Aggressive (4). As for 4, all the judges concerned agreed to the judgment of 10-10 as there was not enough difference to give 1 point for　Banner.
≪Round 2≫
【Same as the previous round, the same two judges (identical people) supported Remy at 10-9. The remaining one judged 10-10.】
The local judge claims that he supports Remy’s clean hit (counter right middle).

Comparison of clean hits Punch Kick
Remy ０ ６
Banner ４ ２
【Verification】
On the round 2, both fighters were so defensive that referees gave them warnings. Majority of opinions said that Remy, who kept stepping back aiming at counter, seemed to bring a passive game, however, there was no difference with Banner who only put a pressure on at the front and could not attack by arm. All concerned agreed that it was fair enough to judge 10-10.
≪Round 3≫
【Two judges supported 10-10. One supported Banner with 10-9.】
Two judges supported 10-10, judging that there was no difference between the two. One supported Banner, considering Banner’s damage by left middle kick.
Comparison of clean hits Punch Kick
Remy ０ １０
Banner １０ ７
【Verification】
While Remy stepped back aiming at counter many times, he gained advantages with clean hits and aggressive points. Also, Banner’s left middle in the middle of the round obviously gave damages to the opponent. All concerned agreed that Banner won the round with 10-9.
　
【Conclusion】
1 There was a discrepancy in terms of interpretation of “Clean Hits” among the referees at the sight who actually made judgment（they think that kick is more important than punch and do not ask whether there is a will to “defeat” the opponent）, which do not follow the K-1 current judgment standard（according to the current K-1 judgment standard, open attack aiming at counter or single-shot attack are not highly respected）.
2 The left middle kick by Banner at the round 3 was an obvious advantage associated with damages. It was a refereeing mistake that this attack was not counted.
3 Composition of referees at the sight completely ignored the impartiality.

As a result of the above verification, Board of K-1 Authorized Referees certifies that the winner is the fighter Jerome Le Banner, with the score of 30-29, and advocates that the judging of this match should be reversed and the official record should be revised.
Also, in order to avoid future refereeing mistakes like this time, we would like to hold seminars before and after matches held around the world, aiming at standardizing judging criteria at K-1 authorized matches, and to cultivate talented and fair referees.

　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　Board of K-1 Authorized Referees
Rule Director Atsushi Onari
Rule Supervisor Nobuaki Kukuda

[AKA]

http://rapidshare.de/files/21967566/ReplytoobjectionsraisedbythefighterJeromeLeBannerr egardingajudgementcall.doc.html

[TheDude]

Is this the first time this has happened?

Not too excited about the prospects for this.

[Lone Wolf]

What a bunch of c***. I guess the blackmailing worked. So, what do we learn from all of this kids...through extortion comes the gain.

[AKA]

3 dutch judges...
It wont happens again...thats all!

[AKA]

Not saying especially "dutch judges", I mean 3 judges with the same nationality than one of the fighter!

[HolyRamenEmpire]

They bothered to analyze each rounds. I haven't reviewed the match, and haven't counted all the hits. If their analysis is fair, then the reverse judgement is fine with me, assuming they are willing to do the same response to any claims, and not just to that of a popular fighter. If their analysis is bs, then that sucks. I hope k1 has set a deadline for complaints (like, within a week after the fight). Whatever. We saw the fight. As I wrote before, historical judgement is above organizational judgements. Fighting isn't about the numbers, it's about the image, and the excitement. While the new judgement indicates JLB won by a thin, thin line, he tends to bring the fun in the fight. And for that, he'll be always be a step ahead of Remy. Now, JLB will apparently remain in k1. We won't be seeing JLB vs Mark Hunt, CC, or Fedor. Meh. I look forward to his next bout. I'd like JLB to rematch Botha... Or face off Iggy... Or... mmm, many possibilities...

[HolyRamenEmpire]

I mean, the Japanese ref was apparently complaining about the initial judgement at the time of the event, already. Tanikawa was mentioning the effectiveness of JLB's body punch and kicks while the fight was happening. He saw JLB winning the fight. This was happening before any silent or voiceful complaining/pressuring.

[LethalSassonic]

athletic contests of any kind should not have the results changed after the event. Maybe K-1 should just fess up to the F-ck up and move on... Changing winners? It's not a good trend to start.

[bbbmarc]

no matter of the mistakes that judges do occasionally, this example if it's gonna be accepted - could create a real hell...

judges like fighters, like us - are only humans

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

This is horrible news. Popular fighters get decision reviews and unpopular ones do not. I'm stunned.

[LethalSassonic]

This is horrible news. Popular fighters get decision reviews and unpopular ones do not. I'm stunned.
or a Popular fighter who gets a BS decision in his favor will never have that reversed!

[( o Y o )]

I believe they reviewed the Sefo vs Musashi and Musashi vs Remy II fights......but found both to be correct judgements.

[Lord Gaul]

Not even a No contest, this is strait BS. I am not taking anything from Jerome, but they shouldn't take anything from Remy. This is by far the dumbest moment in the history of K-1. It has nothing to do with the fighters, this has to do with backing your clientel. If a mistake is made you simply say that it was made and call it a no contest. Now that fighters know that they can appeal themselves into a win we can expect the flood gates to open on a lot of fights. Right now Zambo should go apeal the first fight with Masato. Dewey should apeal the Carter Williams match and Jan should join him and apeal the fight with Lee. There are a lot of guys who have even stronger cases then LeBanner and now would be the time to start apealing. I love Remy and I love LeBanner, but I think this is unfair and stupid. Either go no contest or anounce 2 winners like in the Winter Olympics when the gave to golds for team figure skating.

This decision is just another thing in recent event that have changed my mind about K-1. I use to be a stickler for the rules and policy. I braged about how fair it was and how it had the most even playing field. Now with the recent rules and decisions coming out I am finding myself move away from the rules and more towards my favorite fighters. Now I am starting to become a "its fair as long as my guy wins sort of person." Going into the Max WGP am am cheering for Virgil, Buakaw and Drago. I don't even care about the rules I just want one of those three to take it. I beleive K-1 policy has finally beaten me into submission.

[AKA]

Fighting sports in general are rotten sports....
Its well known when you are from the west of France, if you want to win vs the guy who live in the capital (Paris), u really have to dominate him or KO him.
Same shit when you go to fight in a foreign country. Its well known that French are often robbed in Holland, and I guess that maybe its the same fucking thing with Dutch who fight in France!
Now, u guys complain coz they reverse LOGICALLY this BS dec???
3 dutch judges: that annoying, thats pure BS.

Re-read the statement they do: Also, in order to avoid future refereeing mistakes like this time, we would like to hold seminars before and after matches held around the world, aiming at standardizing judging criteria at K-1 authorized matches, and to cultivate talented and fair referees.

It means better judgement in the future....maybe not in Japan, but in all the others countries where K1 event take place!

IMHO, thats more than fair, u cant win a fight when u just landed 20 middle kicks in the forearm and refuse the battle.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Now, u guys complain coz they reverse LOGICALLY this BS dec???
3 dutch judges: that annoying, thats pure BS.

Re-read the statement they do: Also, in order to avoid future refereeing mistakes like this time, we would like to hold seminars before and after matches held around the world, aiming at standardizing judging criteria at K-1 authorized matches, and to cultivate talented and fair referees.

It means better judgement in the future....maybe not in Japan, but in all the others countries where K1 event take place!

IMHO, thats more than fair, u cant win a fight when u just landed 20 middle kicks in the forearm and refuse the battle.

I don't think the general public was convinced that Jerome won the fight. I saw a draw. The post fight judges called the first round even. Even based on their criteria, the two low blows would have given the round to Remy. That was the reason Ray lost to Mori in 2004. It was an even round but the foul tipped the scale in Mori's favor.

Very interesting confession that they don't hold judging seminars before events. A local politition demanded that a traffic light be installed at a dangerous intersection after the first car wreck death. The black skid marks all over the road from previous near misses wasn't enough to prevent the death. K-1 now realizes that pre event seminars are needed. The near misses like a Mori-Roufus split decision in Vegas weren't enough.

I just emailed the K-1 and they are keeping the official annoucement under their hats for now.

[alexey]

This is horrible news. Popular fighters get decision reviews and unpopular ones do not. I'm stunned.

I was draw. And extra round

[AKA]

I was ringside and honestly it was not a draw!
Whats amazing with the vid is the sound: the ring microphone make the middle kicks like they are so hige, off course they are but it wasnt that "loud" in real!
The arena booed the decision, thats a fact, they applaused JLB as the winner!

When I saw the fight I thought 30-28 or 30-27 for Jérôme (in my mind middle kick in the forearms simply doesnt count in the points like in kick boxing for example!), but when I watch the vids my point of view was different, it was a close win, but in my book, JLB is the agressor, he scored much effective blows and Remy only land middle kicks thats all!

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Aka,
This has very little to do with Jerome and Remy now. There is a huge domino effect that will now take place. Every disputed decision will become a nightmare and the K-1 will either treat everyone equally or admit that they are less than impartial.

[Lone Wolf]

Any fight where you have to COUNT HITS to determine the winner DOES NOT HAVE a clear winner.

If Jerome wanted to be the winner he should have pressured and KOed Remy...like
Sem did.

The point is...a judges decision SHOULD NOT be reversed. Even if it were BS (which in this case I don`t think it is...not that clearly anyway) the only way to decide is a rematch.

It is a sports event anyway...next thing you know you`ll have Rani Berbachi interfere in ther fight and hit the oponent with a "steel" chair.

To think I used to really respect Jerome...

[AKA]

Any fight where you have to COUNT HITS to determine the winner DOES NOT HAVE a clear winner.

If Jerome wanted to be the winner he should have pressured and KOed Remy...like
Sem did.

The point is...a judges decision SHOULD NOT be reversed. Even if it were BS (which in this case I don`t think it is...not that clearly anyway) the only way to decide is a rematch.

It is a sports event anyway...next thing you know you`ll have Rani Berbachi interfere in ther fight and hit the oponent with a "steel" chair.

To think I used to really respect Jerome...

I dont know why u said that....
U sucks man....

[El Presidente]

I see the clicker system coming in the future...

[tarley01]

neither of them deserve the win JLB didnt do anything and neither did remy draw and extra round was the best solution neither of them won..

[Jofeljoh!]

They should invent invisible suits which can measure clean hits and the damage they do lol!

[Shinbone]

They should bring back the 5 rounders for superfights, then I think a lot of these
"problems" wouldn't occur anymore.

[unicorn]

They should bring back the 5 rounders for superfights, then I think a lot of these
"problems" wouldn't occur anymore.

Amen :)

[Dado]

I don't think the general public was convinced that Jerome won the fight. I saw a draw. The post fight judges called the first round even. Even based on their criteria, the two low blows would have given the round to Remy.

I heard Leko's commentary and he had exactly the same results as you posted before (10-9 to each and a 10-10 round) and he saw a clear draw. I cant see that being anything else than a draw.

Lebanner didnt win so this decision being tipped to him is just K-1 bending over because they dont want to lose a big star.

Its sad I can say this as I respect Jerome but it really is nothing else for me.

And lets just hope the judging starts becoming solid and no more fights are turned.

[Lone Wolf]

I dont know why u said that....
U sucks man....

I suck? That`s it? LOL

You know why I said that? Because Jerome is one of my favorite fighters and I used to respect and look up to him as a sportsman. This is just WRONG in every aspect. Jerome used his status as a CELEBRITY to threaten K1 and that`s not an honorable thing to do.

Like I said countless times, if Jerome feels he was cheated why doesn`t he ask for a rematch? I`m sure K1 would grant him one. I think Jerome is a bit upset with himself for not being able to clearly beat a fighter who`s on the rebound and now he`s taking it out on the entire industry.

Let me ask you AKA, how does Jerome feel about basically being GIVEN a DRAW after losing to Botha? The fight was close and Botha even knocked him down but the judges saw a draw?

What`s your opinion on that? Does that also suck?

[slash]

Great, now all fighters can start complaining... Especially those that fight against Musashi, they have a case against JD by default!

[( o Y o )]

if Jerome feels he was cheated why doesn`t he ask for a rematch? I`m sure K1 would grant him one.

Easier said than done when you consider the combined pay checks these guys are contracted for per fight. Not to mention JLB about to start filming, and by he time he is ready to be fighting again the GP will in the way of a rematch.

[AKA]

next thing you know you`ll have Rani Berbachi interfere in ther fight and hit the oponent with a "steel" chair.

yeah this sucks coz its smply stupid....


I suck? That`s it? LOL

You know why I said that? Because Jerome is one of my favorite fighters and I used to respect and look up to him as a sportsman. This is just WRONG in every aspect. Jerome used his status as a CELEBRITY to threaten K1 and that`s not an honorable thing to do.
JLB did not complain and did not ask anything!!!Tanikawa comes at the hotel lobby just after the event and said it was a judgement mistake, he said: it was 3 dutch judges (its Mr Tanikawa who learn us that all the judges were dutch), he even apologize and said "Jerome u won" etc... Jerome just says, if I won make this fight be re-judge by a fair commission. We do not even contact K1 after to pressure them, we wait and honestly I was surprise they finally change the dec... Even if there is no doubt in my mind that JLB got robbed.

Like I said countless times, if Jerome feels he was cheated why doesn`t he ask for a rematch? I`m sure K1 would grant him one. I think Jerome is a bit upset with himself for not being able to clearly beat a fighter who`s on the rebound and now he`s taking it out on the entire industry. When???? JLB is actually out of fighting until October...Movies....He will not even be in the semi finals! If they dont make a wild card like they were used to do then JLB will be out of the GP. And 31/12 its K1-NYE vs Semmy (Probably). Maybe we will see a Remy-JLB rematch but it will in Amsterdam again! In one year! With fair judge.
Btw JLB dont have to ask for a rematch after a robbery it would be like to say "fuck me again".

Let me ask you AKA, how does Jerome feel about basically being GIVEN a DRAW after losing to Botha? The fight was close and Botha even knocked him down but the judges saw a draw?

What`s your opinion on that? Does that also suck?
I remenber that fight but I think I saw a draw maybe a 1 point win for Botha. Btw Jerome did lost. And it was not like they gave the dec to Jerome, they gave a Draw: I have to rewatch that fight, but the KD makes Botha the winner, probably.

[Lone Wolf]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Wolf

next thing you know you`ll have Rani Berbachi interfere in ther fight and hit the oponent with a "steel" chair.



yeah this sucks coz its smply stupid....

The "steel chair" thing was a joke, referring to the fake-wrestling industry where "matches" are often turned around by outside interference. I was being ironic.

[quote] JLB did not complain and did not ask anything!!!Tanikawa comes at the hotel lobby just after the event and said it was a judgement mistake, he said: it was 3 dutch judges (its Mr Tanikawa who learn us that all the judges were dutch), he even apologize and said "Jerome u won" etc... Jerome just says, if I won make this fight be re-judge by a fair commission. We do not even contact K1 after to pressure them, we wait and honestly I was surprise they finally change the dec... Even if there is no doubt in my mind that JLB got robbed. [/quote}

JLB did not complain...yet he threatened to leave K1 if the decision is not reversed...what is that called, again?

Jerome lost to Botha because he was injured and could not continue...otherwise the 4th round would have been fought and there is no doubt in my mind the japanese fighters would have given it to Jerome.

If Jerome would have been in Botha`s situation, would have knocked down Remy in an otherwise close fight and would have lost or only gotten a draw...then yeah...I`d say he was fucked. But not in this situation.

It seems to me Jerome doesn`t mind if the bad judging is in his favor, though.

[Lone Wolf]

P.S: The rematch doesn`t have to happen now...it could happen at any given gala/GP...this year, next year...what does it matter?

The point is that it`s the only way to resolve this situation.

Look at Aerts, he fought Hoost on an hour`s notise and doesn`t care that he lost because he did it for the love of the sport. That is an example of true sportsmanship.

[bbbmarc]

JLB did not complain and did not ask anything!!!Tanikawa comes at the hotel lobby just after the event and said it was a judgement mistake, he said: it was 3 dutch judges (its Mr Tanikawa who learn us that all the judges were dutch), he even apologize and said "Jerome u won" etc... Jerome just says, if I won make this fight be re-judge by a fair commission. We do not even contact K1 after to pressure them, we wait and honestly I was surprise they finally change the dec... Even if there is no doubt in my mind that JLB got robbed.

first of all - this isn't about JLB, but about K-1 and Tanikawa

i don't understand: was the problem about those judges in them being dutch or being bad (or rotten)?

- if they're bad judges - then all the fights in which they're invoved should be re-analysed and those judges should be suspended or punished in some other way
- if they made a mistake just in this fight and in other fights their decisions were right, that's even worse - that means that they are good or decent judges and they deliberately (because of patriotic or other reasons) made a bad judgement: and then again - such a people have no place in a professional sport - and should banned for life
- but i think that the truth is that those judges are good K-1 (or anyone elses) soldiers, but in this case - they went wrong and pissed off Mr. Tanikawa

btw
it's nice to know that Mr. Tanikawa is such an expert

[HolyRamenEmpire]

Have all the fighters complain about the decisions. That's one valid right. Every fighter should be able to file a complaint about every decision. There should be an evil commission that processes the files within a week or a month. They can have either one comission or two level of comissions, the first would do a quick review, the second would do a in depth review. I'd guess one comission system suffice. A K1 match is only around 10 minutes. No big trouble reviewing them.

And counting hits is a valid reference for judgement... One can argue that JLB didn't land enough to win a 10-9 for the last rd. Many seem to have thought Remy won the 1st rd, and tied in 2nd, then JLB won the 3rd. If one sides with invalidating the effectiveness of a blocked middle kick, I think many can sitll give a win to JLB for the 3rd rd. Very close call.

Whether the close call is unfair to JLB or Remy, they can still have a freaking re-match. They can just say, the first fight was BS. Then slug it off in the rematch bout.

And in regards to reversal, whatever. K1 as an org, and as a compilation of results can get a little busier. The fights will go on, we can forever judge them on our own. And great fighters will be great beyond results or reversals.

Plus, as JLB said, Tanikawa came to him.

[HolyRamenEmpire]

P.S: The rematch doesn`t have to happen now...it could happen at any given gala/GP...this year, next year...what does it matter?

The point is that it`s the only way to resolve this situation.

Look at Aerts, he fought Hoost on an hour`s notise and doesn`t care that he lost because he did it for the love of the sport. That is an example of true sportsmanship.

Meh. I think Aerts was cool to stand up for the fight. But not that great. Not so much a great act of sportsmanship. He had all the excuses to lose the fight. Hoost fought like the nicest guy on earth. They'd just pretty much shadow box to avoid pissing the crowd off to a dangerous degree. He saves K1's face, and K1 will owe him a great deal of money making opportunities. He risks very little, and gain quite a bit. Aerts was cool and smart.

[HolyRamenEmpire]

The problem isn't JLB.

If anyone wants to lose respect, lose it for Tanikawa. JLB will likely rematch Remy. And lets hope they'll get to the bottom. All controversial decisions by K1 can be considered meaningless.

They can reverse, counter reverse, toss, rewrite, re-rewrite, and then change their minds ten folds. Whatever. I just don't want them reversing a clear KO or TKO or pure dominance. And I hope and hope they minimize f-ups in judging a GP! The rest, whatever. Everyone can ignore the stinky smell of a controversial droppings by the judges or tournament organizers.

K1 isn't in big trouble over this issue. They can just say "all complaints are welcome, and should be filed within a week (or a month)". That resolves the need to review past judgements. They can add a clause saying that cases of excessive inaccuracy or corruption can be investigated in linkage to a recent judging or by initiation of the tournament organizers without the need of a complaint filed by the fighting party.

And while their at it, they can write in all tournament rule brochures:
"all close judgements are subject to the whims and whams, alcohol level and political affinity of the judges, refs, and tournament organizers, and thus they should be considered an emotional and political reference, and not as an infallible reflection of the 'power' parity between two fighters at a given fight."

Now moving on,
I look forward to
-JLB vs Semmy
-JLB vs Remmy
to begin with :)

Good luck to both sides.

[BEEF]

Let me ask you AKA, how does Jerome feel about basically being GIVEN a DRAW after losing to Botha? The fight was close and Botha even knocked him down but the judges saw a draw?




You have to remember that Botha also received a yellow card in that fight.

[AKA]

JLB did not complain...yet he threatened to leave K1 if the decision is not reversed...what is that called, again?


U didnt get it....
After the japanese promises, we made an official announcement to thx the K1 and said that JLB would have leave K1 if the decision wasnt change. (It was not ONLY about the change but for a few other thing u will never know and the last fight vs Peter) Its call "communication". 1.Somebody promise u something, 2.u are not sure it will reall happens, 3.u make a public statement with thx and blablabla, u just add the lil sentence to make the things clear..

I am not sure that they really would have re-judge the fight without that official annoucement by JLB fighting Team. Its just a way to make sure people will do what they said they will do, we dont complain, we dont ask for a change, they come, they said it was wrong, mistake, shame etc...., so they have to make happens what they said.
Thats simple.
Btw nothing prove that without this "post promises" annoucement, they would not have change the dec.

We are in good term with K1 and thats the main point for JLB and I.
JLB is still a K1 fighter and I'm REALLY happy with this...for some reason, I dont want him to leave K1.... And for some reason u ignore it was easily possible!

[AKA]

P.S: The rematch doesn`t have to happen now...it could happen at any given gala/GP...this year, next year...what does it matter?

The point is that it`s the only way to resolve this situation..
I dont give a F**k about a rematch vs Remy. This point is not the only way to blablabla my ass, for some reason u dont know. Fuck, Boobs know that I cant talk about all, it piss me off to see ur opinion, but u guys dont have all the cards!!!

Look at Aerts, he fought Hoost on an hour`s notise and doesn`t care that he lost because he did it for the love of the sport. That is an example of true sportsmanship.
Aerts did a good LIGHT CONTACT fight with 0 damaging hit from him or Ernesto, for the love of the sport? No! For the love of the Arena audience!!!!
And also I bet its pretty good to have a very good money for a no risk light contact fight.
But still props to him for saving this event...

[AKA]

first of all - this isn't about JLB, but about K-1 and Tanikawa

i don't understand: was the problem about those judges in them being dutch or being bad (or rotten)?

- if they're bad judges - then all the fights in which they're invoved should be re-analysed and those judges should be suspended or punished in some other way
- if they made a mistake just in this fight and in other fights their decisions were right, that's even worse - that means that they are good or decent judges and they deliberately (because of patriotic or other reasons) made a bad judgement: and then again - such a people have no place in a professional sport - and should banned for life
- but i think that the truth is that those judges are good K-1 (or anyone elses) soldiers, but in this case - they went wrong and pissed off Mr. Tanikawa

btw
it's nice to know that Mr. Tanikawa is such an expert
No problem with the 2 other super-fight, it was dutch-dutch....
There was an obvious rotten judgement.

[sparkles]

All that movie stuff and other distraction ain't good. He will lose his focus and you will see it in his fights. I believe Hoost and Aerst said they wouldn't be fighting in the GP this year, this could be a good chance for JLB. There will be a lot of newbies.

[Lone Wolf]

[QUOTE=AKA]I dont give a F**k about a rematch vs Remy. This point is not the only way to blablabla my ass, for some reason u dont know. Fuck, Boobs know that I cant talk about all, it piss me off to see ur opinion, but u guys dont have all the cards!!!
QUOTE]

I really don`t understand what you said here...but let`s recap:

YOU don`t seem to understand that, as a fan of the sport, I don`t give a rat`s behind about the politics, the hidden reasons, the contracts and all the other stuff that you would call "blablabla my ass".

All I care about is the fight, the action, and everything that goes on in the ring in those moments inbetween the opening bell and the moment they declare a winner.

Now, to tell you the truth...I don`t really care who the winner is...as long as the fight is good. To you, on the other hand, it seems to be very important that Jerome is THE WINNER...yet you don`t care about a rematch that could potentially settle the dispute.

So what do you actually care about AKA? Who wins? The match itself? My guess would be neither, which can mean only one thing...

[AKA]

JLB is curently out of the GP for 2 reason
1.he didnt want to make it anymore( too much bad luck, he thinks he is not a tournament fighter, the last fight vs Peter----> after rewatching the fight he thought he won by 1 points, so no needs for extra round, btw he said he clearly lost that extra round!, and the reserve fighter BS, why he didnt go in semi vs Musashi....Hoost did, Chalid did etc....) BUT I think he finally change his mind and will like to be IN.

2.He cannot do the semi qualification in Osaka in October, the movie Asterix 3 is finish in the very beginning of October....

ACTUALLY, JLB IS OFFICIALLY OUT OF THE GP!

Where did u saw that Ernesto and Peter will be out too?
If u are right: this year qualifying system is fucked up.....

[Lone Wolf]

Ernesto said a while back that he won`t fight GP anymore. But I don`t think Peter`s out.

[Shinbone]

Peter is in, as long as he qualifies!

[Jofeljoh!]

Hoost indeed long ago stated he won't fight GPs anymore. Peter will do it as long as he can, IMO. Hoost said he would want to give Peter a rematch at the K-1 Finals if Aerts wouldn't make it for whatever reason. And he accepted that offer, so what that means we don't know:

but probably only if he doesn't make the GP.

[AKA]

All I care about is the fight, the action, and everything that goes on in the ring in those moments inbetween the opening bell and the moment they declare a winner.Yeah reason why u did like Peter-Ernesto comedy! ;)


To you, on the other hand, it seems to be very important that Jerome is THE WINNER...yet you don`t care about a rematch that could potentially settle the dispute.Yes, simply because he won. And he deserves that win more than most of the others. JLB was in incredibly horrible conditions to take that fight! We thought about cancelling it.... But he cames, didnt complazin, he doesnt want to fuck the whole show, but beleive me that the 2 reasons why JLB looks different, less agressive , only 1-2 combo, are huge matters! I hope I could talk about them later.
He dont cancel for the promotor, for the audience, for the K1 and also for the money off course.


So what do you actually care about AKA? Who wins? The match itself? My guess would be neither, which can mean only one thing... ?????? I care about the justice of a fair result. Thats all. Now if they did not change it, I will probably not talking about that anymore! And I say it today: JLB would not have leave K1, he loves K1....
Japanese did talk and did do what they promised, props to them! It only make our relationship stronger.

[Jofeljoh!]

I'm curious how this news has arrived at Remy's camp. I'll try to see if I can get some information tomorrow on how he reacted, what his plans are, etc.

[Lone Wolf]

Yeah reason why u did like Peter-Ernesto comedy! ;)


Yes, simply because he won. And he deserves that win more than most of the others. JLB was in incredibly horrible conditions to take that fight! We thought about cancelling it.... But he cames, didnt complazin, he doesnt want to fuck the whole show, but beleive me that the 2 reasons why JLB looks different, less agressive , only 1-2 combo, are huge matters! I hope I could talk about them later.
He dont cancel for the promotor, for the audience, for the K1 and also for the money off course.


?????? I care about the justice of a fair result. Thats all. Now if they did not change it, I will probably not talking about that anymore! And I say it today: JLB would not have leave K1, he loves K1....
Japanese did talk and did do what they promised, props to them! It only make our relationship stronger.

The Peter-Ernesto comedy...LOL, well that`s different...there was no other way to go there.

I believe that something was wrong with Jerome,I do...he didn`t look like his usual self at all. but he did not win that fight. I don`t understand what the big fuss about a rematch is. He fought Gary Goodridge twice, didn`t he?

If he thinks he is so much better than Remy they should just fight again, Jerome could knock him out in the first ten seconds...and the dispute would be over. What`s the big deal?

He did not win that damn fight...maybe Remy didn`t either...but that`s that.

Rack`em up...let`s play again.

By the way...you did notise that the K1 website didn`t change/announce anything, didn`t you?

[AKA]

I did notice, it will be changed soon, as they said in the staement!
JLB will probably fight Remy again, but he doesnt really care, thats not important for him or for the team.

[HolyRamenEmpire]

One vision...

JLB beats Semmy.
JLB goes on to beat Aerts.
JLB wins the GP.
JLB beats Botha.
JLB fights Iggy.
JLB fights Mike Tyson.

[Lone Wolf]

I did notice, it will be changed soon, as they said in the staement!
JLB will probably fight Remy again, but he doesnt really care, thats not important for him or for the team.

That`s great news. Trust me, AKA, a rematch is the right way to go here. It could even be a 5 rounder like the Abidi fight.

Only good can come from a rematch, both for Jerome and the fans.

[AKA]

We ahve to wait one year.....or more!
Or a miracle if JLB do the GP and meet Remy in the tournament!

[AKA]

One vision...

JLB beats Semmy.
JLB goes on to beat Aerts.
JLB wins the GP.
JLB beats Botha.
JLB fights Iggy.
JLB fights Mike Tyson.
I love this vision :)
I really think that a well prepared and healthy JLB can easily beats actual Semmy....but what about a random JLB after 6 months of movie, vs a full rest and motivated Sem? I honestly dont know!
I need to see Sem fight in several months against a good opponant and in good condition! (not 2 fight per month WTF!!!)

[Martin]

overturning JD is rare, but didnt it happen at a k-1 scandinavia a few years ago too? Larry Lindwall vs Michael McDonald. originaly scored a win to Lindwall, but overturned fter the event in favour of McDonald after complaints from his camp. Or is my memory playing tricks on me?

[danvari]

overturning JD is rare, but didnt it happen at a k-1 scandinavia a few years ago too? Larry Lindwall vs Michael McDonald. originaly scored a win to Lindwall, but overturned fter the event in favour of McDonald after complaints from his camp. Or is my memory playing tricks on me?

That fight was scored a draw, I'm not really sure if the decision got overturned, but I think McDonald's homepage said that he had won that fight. I'm sure Titan knows a lot more about the decision than I do.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

AKA,
I'm still waiting for the K-1 to release the information on their website before adjusting the rankings. I contacted them and they told me that the decision wasn't final. Of course, you are in contact with a different department than I am so I'm guessing that the PR department has yet to hear the news.

[AKA]

no problem!
It will be so dumb to send us, this official text and to finally dont make the changes!

[Cracked_Knuckle]

I woulda agreed with them changing it to a draw, but a complete reversal in a close fight is taking things a bit far IMO.

[chinese coral]

Remy´s point of view:

"...I do regret that this is possible at all, because I feel that K-1 looses its credibility in this manner."
http://www.remybonjasky.com/main.html

[Toffa]

I would have prefered a NC based on inaccurate or bias judges for the reason, I do believe strongly that LeBanner won. In no way did Remy come close to winning that fight, but obviously this can't happen all the time.

[Dado]

How does that show that its official that Jerome is the winner?

"The case is still pending, so up to this day, no official announcement has been made, although some websites give the impression that de jury’s decision has already been reversed and that I lost the match after all. The K-1 website has not included the jury’s decision on their website yet, so we have to wait for them..."

[Lord Gaul]

I would have prefered a NC based on inaccurate or bias judges for the reason, I do believe strongly that LeBanner won. In no way did Remy come close to winning that fight, but obviously this can't happen all the time.
I guess I seen it differently then you. I had it as a very close fight that could have gone any way. Dispite what I think about who should have won I still think that there is no wrong answer in picking a winner of either guy. Which is why I am so strongly against the decision to just whip out the others guys hard work.

[Lone Wolf]

I guess I seen it differently then you. I had it as a very close fight that could have gone any way. Dispite what I think about who should have won I still think that there is no wrong answer in picking a winner of either guy. Which is why I am so strongly against the decision to just whip out the others guys hard work.

That`s exactly what i have been saying too. There is no wrong in picking either of the fighters as the winner and had the match taken place in Paris, Jerome would have been the winner. But somehow I don`t think Remy would have started to threaten K1...at least I like to believe so.

I still say...let this go and prepare for a rematch, whenever that may be.