Alexey Ignashov (SPOILER)

[Dado]

I guess a lot of us are baffled with his performance at the Amsterdamn tournament.

One second he is agressive and blasts his opponent and the next he is just standing around evading until the bell rings.

I really dont know what is up with him. I dont think he sustained much damage to his knee as he blocked low kicks well against Vondracek and Saki didnt seem to bother him too much from what I saw.

Saki was moving a lot and just low kicking but that cant be an excuse since I think Ignashov could have more than made up for it with his reach, but he didnt even throw many punches against Saki. We saw how easily the slower Breggy closed the distance and landed punches so why coudlnt Alexey? He just literally stood there. I think he threw a few kicks and some jabs and that was it.

A theory I have is that he just focuses like 90% on his defense hence his impressive record of never having been knocked down by anything. And when he lands something then its usaully all over for his opponent.

Another theory is that his knee could have been re-injured after he finished his fight with Vondracek, but why didnt he even bother using his impressive punches on Saki?

And the third theory is that he simply was frustrated by Saki's movement and perhaps mismanaged his time with too much evading and not enough to score points. He was clearly the dominant figure against Saki but Saki's workrate was much higher and thats the way to win.

Here are some gifs from his first fight, we can clearly see his effective use of range and the agressivness. Note that Saki was just as small as Vondracek.

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[HolyRamenEmpire]

Iggy was perhaps NOT in the best shape, stamina wise. (edit: I forgot to write NOT, lol.) First match, he did win by KO, but he wasn't at his crispest. He seemed a little lazier than at his best. I still have to see his 2nd match to make better judgement. For now, I'd go with stamina issues that messed up his timing, his rhythm.

[Dado]

He didnt do anything in the second fight so how can his stamina be a factor? He seemed to be breathing easy after beating Vondracek.

[HolyRamenEmpire]

Perhaps it was muscular fatigue, tension. That kind of fatigue don't necessary come with heavy breathing... I'm us watching the matches on TV, right now. Will be back if they air the 2nd match... I hope they do...

[Dado]

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[HolyRamenEmpire]

For the 1st fight, I thought the ref was too entertainment oriented when he didn't cal the TKO after the first down. You got a guy who gets up in the last seconds, wobbling, and with his guards down... We instead got to see the beautiful ko... But that may have made the difference for Iggy heading to the 2nd match... I'd wish we could hear a bit more from Iggy...

[HolyRamenEmpire]

Rd1: Iggy seems to be fighting along a muaythai rhythm. Saki is out of tune with Iggy's "music". Instead, Saki keeps messing up the tempo with a low-kick hit-and-run/circle. Iggy takes a moment to get in his tempo, and by that time, Saki throws a hit-and-run, then Iggy gets back in his rhythm, and same again.

Rd2: (Haven't seen it yet.)

Rd3: Saki is more confident with his kick-one-then-hop-back tactic. Iggy is fatigued, both cardio wise and muscle wise.
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Iggy reportedly trained for 3 months in Thailand before this tournament... Perhaps he should have trained in Holland instead... Dunno... But the muaythai style may be hindering his game against a quick, hit-and-run fighter, like Saki. And I have question marks about Iggy's cardio. He may need to work on doing a bunch of intensive combos during one round. I'd love to see Iggy's training routine...

[HolyRamenEmpire]

And now, I see Saki too tired to do the same thing against Bregy... Saki being fresh enough to actually keep hit-and-running quickly from Iggy on muaythai mode beat Iggy... Agh... That said, Manhoef would have probably come out pretty fresh too... Unlike Saki, I think Manhoef would have engaged in more combos... instead of just hitting one and running away. That may have given more opening for Iggy...

I think all the Iggy fans would have wanted to see Iggy pressure Saki, initiating attacks, and finishing Saki off in the ropes or corner... Why couldn't Iggy turn off his muaythai mode, and turn on his rush attacks? I don't know... it's a combination of habit, fatigue, and Saki's style. Agh...

[( o Y o )]

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[Dado]

Yeah youre right.

I think sometimes he needs to break his rhythm and engage opponents a bit more even when they arent already hurt. When people are coming forward against him then its usually over for them but what Saki did was just right and Ignashov's lack of agression when his defense is working is leading to him being outscored by more active fighters.

I think going back to his trim 105kg frame would suit him better ever since he has passed 115kg he has been on a slump.

[HolyRamenEmpire]

I saw rd2. Saki's low kicks in the 1st rd weighed down Iggy's left leg. Add to that, Iggy's fatigue, and you get rd2, rd3.

In the 1st rd, Iggy spent the round getting hold of the rhythm. During which Saki pounded his left leg, and Iggy's fatigue level increased.

Bad matchup... unlucky, unlucky, unlucky...

And indeed, Iggy needs to trim down. Wasted talent...

[TheDude]

Havent seen Iggy fight in a while, but he didnt look good in this one. His kicks were really bad, and while his punches found their mark, I think a part of that was simply due to the bad guard of Petr.

[Lord Gaul]

I don't think that Iggy fought bad. I think his defence against Saki was amazing. He was checking and sliping everything. I just think he didn't look like he was fighting to win. He didn't through enough to take the fight. I too am confused by what it is, but I know that I would really like to see him fight in another GP before the year is out.

[LethalSassonic]

When Iggy's opponent is not too agressive, Iggy seems to fight the same as him.... Iggy needs to fight "mad" he has to want to destroy, he would be much better with that objective.

[heckyl]

maybe Alexey is just a marshmellow and its hard to keep his aggression when people arent being aggressive toward him. not good for a fighter.

[( o Y o )]

This is the first GP since the man has had both his knees rebuilt......perhaps the issue is more us having expectations that are too high under those conditions.

I think his form in the first fight was great. Lets not forget Petr is no chump and Iggy put him away with FAR more ease than either Semmy or Carter did when they faced him.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Iggy has never been a good outside fighter. Petr made it easy by rushing in. Gokhan stayed outside and Iggy couldn't really get going.

The new no-holding rule will either force Iggy to develop the outside game or drop him to the calibre of fighter of Gary Turner or Jurgen Krut.

[Lord Gaul]

They wern't really calling the no clinch rule yesterday. Did anyone else notice that?

[( o Y o )]

^ Yep....they didn`t call the no clinch, or the multi attack in the clinch either.

[Shiruba]

Seems they change rules everyday, some fights theyre strict on the rules, others they dont care too much.

And maybe Iggy was fatigued, but atleast show some spirit, he was doing great the first fight, then he just died. He had good defense like gaul said but he didnt go for it.

Event started out very good, but after that it became boring.

Also big props to Aerts for taking the fight.

[AKA]

the 1 knee clinch was allowed this time.
I talked to the K1 refere.

[Quato]

Maybe the didn't follow the rule too strong because K-1 wanted to be sure Sem would win this bout against Van Dams? I suppose they can't live with the idea that an outsider wins over their champion.

At least the judge in the Aerts-Schilt fight came from another planet than the one from saturday....

[depechemode]

if I saw the first fight against Petr I said to myself that Iggy is back ang in better shape , even if you saw how he moved to his opponent after the first count

I saw 2 differenr Alexey's on that event after I saw the fight against Gokhan,
WHY HE DID NOT DO ANYTHING ?? I stil cant understand that

[Titan]

if I saw the first fight against Petr I said to myself that Iggy is back ang in better shape , even if you saw how he moved to his opponent after the first count

I saw 2 differenr Alexey's on that event after I saw the fight against Gokhan,
WHY HE DID NOT DO ANYTHING ?? I stil cant understand that
He's had his fair share of knee surgery. Maybe he just didn't feel good.

[Mago]

He's had his fair share of knee surgery. Maybe he just didn't feel good.

That's probably the most accurate guess possible... Despite everything Ignashov still takes his careers very seriously and most of his bad performances were going on while he had knee injuries and no one knew about them untill months later. I did noticed one massive low kick from Petr accidentilly hitting directly on his left knee (rotula), while Alexey was leaning on it trying to fire some shots. That blow alone COULD cause a lot of damage, and fighting at this level so prematurely could have caused enough danger to his body that he maybe just felt it wasn't worth it that night...