Hoost vs. Sapp III : Who will win? [Archive]

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( o Y o )

10th May 2006, 01:15 AM

It is easy for people to think Hoost will take this, but 2-0 is a fact that cannot be over looked.

Sapp will be unusually fresh for this fight as he has had very little TV or puroresu work in Japan....has he been training?

Hoost is going to be pumped like never before.

Has Sapps improvement (winning the Japan GP and now kicking and kneeing) destroyed the raw aggression he originally beat Hoost with?

Pretty much everyone that has beaten Sapp via stoppage have been power punches. That is not Hoost, so can Hoost avoid getting caught by a rainmaker for the full three rounds?

Will it play on Hoosts mind that he has not won a fight (off the top of my head) since beating Glaube in the Eliminations in September of 2004?

heckyl

10th May 2006, 01:37 AM

man, hoost is just old now. Sapp will get another tko.

( o Y o )

10th May 2006, 01:37 AM

and for all those voting. at least explain yourselves!!! :P

Tommy_Arashikage

10th May 2006, 01:43 AM

If Hoost keeps with the body punches and the leg kicks with the occasional punch combo, he should be okay. Just let Sapp chase him around and tire him out. He did great in the first round of the Finals fight, but the second he stood and traded.

ducati

10th May 2006, 01:44 AM

For the legitimacy of the sport of kickboxing/muay thai, for the legitimacy of the nation of Holland and Vos Gym, for the legitimacy of Ernesto Hoost, and to prove once and a for all that skill, technique, and heart beats brutish thuggery I hope Ernesto KTFOs Sapp so badly it'll erase some of the sting of watching Mr. Perfect clobbered twice by an untalented brawler.

ArtOfWar

10th May 2006, 02:05 AM

I dunno Boobs. Sapp just seems to have Hoost's number. The trouble with Hoost both times is that he tried to trade with Sapp, which is not really a good idea. If he plays smart (Mirko style), he can take it. He's got all the tools: cardio, devastating low kicks, punching power since he bulked up, gut wrenching body shots. Its just a matter of how he uses it. I hope, I really hope he does not put his pride over wisdom.

Quite honestly, excluding the size that covers half the ring and the former fear factor, Sapp is not that great of a fighter. I dont think he will ever have the cardio required for MMA; his bulk will prevent it. He's afraid of getting hit on the face...etc.etc.

I pick Hoost, assuming he has learnt from the beatings administered to him in the past.

( o Y o )

10th May 2006, 02:48 AM

I am really not too sure. I do expect Hoost to be able to take it, but me voting for him will mean a 3-0 result ;-)

LethalSassonic

10th May 2006, 04:48 AM

I'm seen them both lately, Hoost is much more focused. Age will not be a big factor in this fight, since Sapp will still get tired much faster than Hoost. Also, Sapp is not training very hard, Hoost on the other hand is training real hard and still looked sharp to me. Hoost knows exactly what to expect this time, Sapp is more predictable now that he has a little bit of technique to go with his size.

Also, don't discount the fact that this fight is in Hoost's hometown, believe me that makes a difference, in a fighters' energy level, determination, and the crowd can influence the judging, don't believe anything else on that topic. My Pick is Hoost via 2nd round KO.

( o Y o )

10th May 2006, 05:04 AM

LS, is Sapp training with Greco for this one?

ducati

10th May 2006, 05:16 AM

I think Sapp's best strategy is to go into Beast Mode and try to get Hoost out of there early, and if he finds himself in trouble apply a double leg and draw the foul DQ.

depechemode

10th May 2006, 05:27 AM

I hink ts Ernesto's turn now and he needs a win

LethalSassonic

10th May 2006, 06:19 AM

Will it play on Hoosts mind that he has not won a fight (off the top of my head) since beating Glaube in the Eliminations in September of 2004?
IMO, Hoost's could care less about such a stat. First of all, let's put that stat in the proper context, Hoost has only fought twice I believe since that Feitosa fight, one was a recent TKO loss to Semmy Schilt and the other was the VERY controversial Judges decision loss to Remy Bonjasky. If we put that DVD in, I will still say Bonjasky only won one round and it was the fourth which should never have occured as Hoost won the fight after 3....I'm getting into alot of "ifs" now, but what do you guys think would have happened if Hoost went on in that tourney to face Botha and Musashi? I think he'd be 5 times champions, and he'd be 3-1 since the Feitosa win...

( o Y o )

10th May 2006, 06:29 AM

IMO, Hoost's could care less about such a stat.

I agree....and me too. I just hate making threads like this with "which do you think will win?" and leaving it there.....have to throw out some points which someone may consider in some way. He has fought far too many times to let a close JD and a TKO get to him.

Having said that, ring-rust works more in Sapps favour than Hoosts I think.

I'm getting into alot of "ifs" now, but what do you guys think would have happened if Hoost went on in that tourney to face Botha and Musashi?

Honestly, I don't know. He obviously would have had a great chance at taking it again, but he would have been, as Remy was, very tired facing a very fresh and pumped up Botha. Hell, Botha beat Remy that night even more clearly than the winner of the Remy vs Hoost fight. And Remy has age on his side which while I don't think it effects Hoost in single fights, it may do so over the course of a GP.......perhaps one reason why he has given them up.

sparkles

10th May 2006, 07:52 AM

Hoost would really deserve this as a retirement fight. I bet the organizers and K-1 wants to see it that way but ...
Hoost is the best K-1 fighter ever, but he is old right now. This will affect his speed, his stamina, punch resistance, reflexes, ... it all goes downwards.
Sapp needs a big win and will do everything to win this fight. He can be the only man in k-1 history to go 3-0 with Hoost. The skill of Sapp doesn't matter, because Hoost is the man with way more skill. He beat Hoost twice not with skill, but with brutal power and that is what he needs to do again. Go for the kill and that is his only chance othewise he will be picked apart.
Hoost wants it, but so does Sapp. It would also be a nice retirement fight for Sapp, who isn't the youngest either.
Who will win? Impossible to tell!

( o Y o )

10th May 2006, 07:55 AM

Sapp is only around 30.....far from old.

LethalSassonic

10th May 2006, 07:57 AM

LS, is Sapp training with Greco for this one?
Maurice Smith

( o Y o )

10th May 2006, 07:59 AM

Maurice Smith

Oh yeah?? Wow....I didn't see that coming. Any ideas which will corner him?

LethalSassonic

10th May 2006, 08:08 AM

Oh yeah?? Wow....I didn't see that coming. Any ideas which will corner him?
Corner? good question, I don't know which guy feels like going to Amsterdam, but I assume it should be Maurice since they are trying to "gel" right now to prepare for Hoost.

Flibb

10th May 2006, 08:47 AM

Hoost looked really bad against Schilt therefor Bobe Sappe.

( o Y o )

10th May 2006, 08:52 AM

Corner? good question, I don't know which guy feels like going to Amsterdam, but I assume it should be Maurice since they are trying to "gel" right now to prepare for Hoost.

Makes sense to have your trainer in your corner, but Greco has always been able to pull Sapp into condition between rounds like no one else.

Mo is a great trainer/corner, but this is another slight edge for Hoost I think.

CentralKickboxing.Org

10th May 2006, 09:18 AM

Hoost will be older but he was in rough shape the last time they fought.
- The Nortje and Schilt fights (plus the air travel) took a lot out of him.
- The skin disease was worse than in 1998.

This time, Hoost will be fresh. There will be no air travel. He won't be jetlagged at all. He will not be surprised by the odd directions Sapps punches come from. He will have access to 29 rounds of fight footage and will be properly prepped. The skin disease is worst in the fall for Ernesto so the May date will also be to his advantage.

I see Hoost going for a slow methodical beatdown.

Lord Gaul

10th May 2006, 09:21 AM

I think this will be Hoost last fight. I feel that Sapp had a better chance of winning in the beggining of his career because he was wild and hard to get a reach on. He looked so controled against Musashi. He was kicking well and playing sort of a distance game. And there is no way he is going to out smart Hoost to a victory. The guy that fought Musashi simply isn't a good enough kickboxer to beat Hoost. But the guy that beat Hoost a few years ago was wild and out of control. You couldn't get a hold on him so he was very difficult to beat. That fighter is long gone now and the new guy is a better MMA fighter then a kickboxer. No matter how you look at it Sapp is not the guy who beat Hoost anymore so he will not beat Hoost anymore.

I think that a victory against the only guy that had your number in your career is a great way to walk away from the game. He will be infront of his hometown and it just makes since for him to anounce his retirement after the win.

Lone Wolf

10th May 2006, 09:24 AM

I think Sapp will take it again because...this entire fight was set up for Hoost to win and as we know,in this world, things rarely go as planned. ;)

I`m wishing that Hoost will win but I think it will be Sapp taking home the prize.

CentralKickboxing.Org

10th May 2006, 10:07 AM

I'd hate to see Hoost retire after this fight. He is within 3 fights of crossing the 100win line.

That is the way to retire. Mr Perfect gets a score of 100!

loreia

10th May 2006, 12:31 PM

Just a moment, when and where is this fight taking place?

My opinion?
Well, I voted for Sapp even if his cardio lately has been worst that ever; and the fact that he is not willing to take a punch any more is certanly not going to help him in this fight.
But still, If Ernesto wasn't smart enough (yes, smart, not skilled, strong or any of that stuff) to beat him last couple of times, then I fear he won't be smart enough this time either.

Plus, lately I feel so sorry for poor Beast.
He is getting beat like all the time, it would be nice to see him leave ring as the vinner.

urdum

10th May 2006, 02:41 PM

Hoost should win this one. I hope at least. He has been training very hard lately. And his condition is much better as the one of Sapp. He is in his home country and with all of the great Dutch support, he should take this one

Anjew

10th May 2006, 03:24 PM

Hoosto! This time Mr Perfect will finally get things together. No trading, pure tactics - low kick x 100 and body shots. Bobby must go down this time...

MZN

10th May 2006, 03:36 PM

Shinbone

10th May 2006, 04:19 PM

I believe that Hoost will win. To my knowledge Hoost can handle the pressure pretty well. Hoost will take Sapp down with combinations. However, there is one way for Sapp to win and that is "all or nothing strategy" just like his first 2 fights just rush forward and throw haymakers. If that doesn't work out, then Sapp lose

WOLVES AT THE DOOR

10th May 2006, 06:03 PM

The question is who's goin to win Hoost or his massive ego

Lord Gaul

10th May 2006, 10:12 PM

I'd hate to see Hoost retire after this fight. He is within 3 fights of crossing the 100win line.

That is the way to retire. Mr Perfect gets a score of 100!
You know your right. I forgot that he was that close to 100. It would be cool if he got there, but I can still see him retiring.

FieldingMellish

10th May 2006, 10:55 PM

LOL, Hoost already won Sapp-Hoost III - here's the report:

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2003/articles/january/1043004857.php

And this is how he did it: http://www.profikickbox.hu/images/SappHoostChair.jpg

The real question is, will Sapp develop a strong enough chairshot defence?????

K1power

11th May 2006, 12:26 AM

I got some things on my mind that I want to share concerning this one...

I like both Hoost and Sapp. Hoost is a K-1 legend and together with Aerts he rules as one of the Kings in K-1 history, period. I don't have to go in-depth why I like Hoost, because simply put: If you like K-1, you'd better like Hoost, lol!

As for Sapp; defeating Hoost twice made Sapp - like it or not - a phenomenon in K-1. There have been a lot of big, strong men with no technique in K-1. They always have been there (yes, even before Sapp came) and probably always will (for various reasons, but the main one being money). The point is that none of them quite made an impact like Sapp - be it either in negative or positive ways. I don't support the stuff he does in the ring sometimes, but I still feel like he's the only justified "freak" in K-1 simply because he's the only one of them that had some great successes and his willingness to learn how to fight. Even if some of his acts in the ring were cowardly, it still takes a lot of balls to step in the ring with some of the best kickboxers in the world and I respect him both as a person AND as a fighter.

Concerning the upcoming fight Hoost Vs Sapp III.
I pretty much agree that Hoost will take it if he plays it smart and will lose if he tries to trade once more. It really only depends on which Hoost shows up and pretty much doesn't mather which Sapp shows up because a smart Hoost can beat either version of Sapp. The only thing that stands in Hoosts way really is his pride. As one of Hoosts last fights - if not THE last - he SHOULD really win this fight to redeem himself from the losses he suffered earlier to Sapp. Sapp doesn't have as much to lose on this one as Hoost does so I'm rooting for Hoost a bit more than for Sapp, but may both of them put up a great show and may the best fighter that night win. I voted for Hoost.

Lord Gaul

11th May 2006, 08:15 AM

HolyRamenEmpire

11th May 2006, 09:41 AM

Hoost, cause he's Hoost. Lame, flame, whatever. K1 orthodoxy must prevail. Boo yah.

El Presidente

11th May 2006, 09:42 AM

God forbid that Sapp beats Hoost again...

MZN

11th May 2006, 11:26 AM

God forbid that Sapp beats Hoost again...

Amen

Jofeljoh!

11th May 2006, 11:27 AM

Hoost, cause he's Hoost. Lame, flame, whatever. K1 orthodoxy must prevail. Boo yah.

Exactly.

This should be Hoosts win. Justice must be served!

El Presidente

11th May 2006, 02:31 PM

The pressure may be too much for Hoost. As always - he has the most to lose. Bob Sapp as usual has nothing to lose.

( o Y o )

11th May 2006, 02:40 PM

^ true....and when everyone expects Sapp to get his ass kicked, he tends to win.

Not this time though I think.

sparkles

11th May 2006, 05:49 PM

Hoost won't break under the pressure ... the man has seen everything.

Quato

11th May 2006, 07:00 PM

It's funny how not-sure people are abouth the outcome of this match. Naturally everybody will go with Hoost, but the past has learned something else. When I think of it, I don't even really mind what the outcome may be even with the fact I'm Dutch like Ernesto.

Just hope we'll see a good and clean fight!

HolyRamenEmpire

11th May 2006, 07:41 PM

Hoost, tense? Here's some past footage to relax over.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6wzMJ_RdgHg&search=hoost

LethalSassonic

11th May 2006, 08:28 PM

that was funny!!!

MZN

11th May 2006, 09:28 PM

Hoost, tense? Here's some past footage to relax over.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6wzMJ_RdgHg&search=hoost

haha, lol.

urdum

11th May 2006, 11:01 PM

Hoost, tense? Here's some past footage to relax over.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6wzMJ_RdgHg&search=hoost

funny as hell

( o Y o )

12th May 2006, 01:09 AM

Hoost, tense? Here's some past footage to relax over.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6wzMJ_RdgHg&search=hoost

I remember watching that one.....he did another show like it just before or just after it too! lol

K1power

12th May 2006, 01:58 AM

LMAO wtf!