Weight cutting discussion

[Shinbone]

Since there have been a lot of discussion about cutting weight as of late, I thought it may be good to start a thread about cutting weight.

I have an question for Jodi too. Since you help bodybuilders with their diet and bodybuilders are known for having a very low fat percentage.

What is the absolute minimum of fat a human being needs have to function normally? I thought below 3 or 4 % bodyfat one risking serious health problems (dehydration, liver failure, etc) and even death?

I know a fighter like Arona just has 6 or 7 % body fat and he has good stamina. But fighters like Overeem/Coleman are very ripped and gass out after a few minutes. ( in Coleman's case is may have an other cause)

In my personal view I think too much cutting is bad for a fighter's performance. A fighter should aways try to fight at its own natural weight, that means no to many cutting nor bulking up too much. Keep it in the middle!

Discuss!

[Big Sleep]

I'm not an expert, but cutting to much is not always good in my opinion. Overeem's example is very good, the man is 6'5'' tall and cuts to 205 pounds...but obviously that is not his natural weight...and you can see it in his fights because he gasses very fast. Another good example is Joe Riggs, he's 6'0'' tall and his walk around weight is of ~ 210 pounds. Now he's cutting to 170 pounds but the day of the fight he's always around 200 pounds...and his body really suffers the conceguences, he has no good stamina.

Cutting is good, it's better to come into the fight in good shape and fight where you can compete well or even have a size advantage. You can feel better in some cases, lighter and more agile...but cutting to much is not good in my opinion as it would certeanly effect your stamina. So i agree with you, something in the middle is the best thing. Not cutting is impossible, you have always to cut something to get in shape for a fight...but not to much because otherwise you may have other problems that would effect you negatively during the fight.

[FieldingMellish]

Anybody know much about colonic irrigation and weight-cutting?

I know of one British boxer who used to have it done regularly (he's a HW so weight-cutting wasn't really the point) and it took a few pounds off without any real effort.

Have always wondered why more fighters don't do it. Or maybe they do but don't want to talk about having a pipe up their arse, lol.

[kainer2]

I heard of a few UK guys who have done it...and apprently from what i heard is that its useful to get rid of "waste" but it is very draining and isn't pleasant

[Titan]

Anybody know much about colonic irrigation and weight-cutting?

I know of one British boxer who used to have it done regularly (he's a HW so weight-cutting wasn't really the point) and it took a few pounds off without any real effort.

Have always wondered why more fighters don't do it. Or maybe they do but don't want to talk about having a pipe up their arse, lol.I remember reading the average American (I know everyone isn´t American, but that´s where the statistics came from) has ~5 lbs undigested meat in the colon. It rots and toxins can find its way out in the blood-system. Can´t remember exactly how it gets in the system, but it does. Additionally, food that sits in the colon can form some crust on the inner walls of the colon. I think cleansing is the option that remains to get that out. I found a site where you can probably read all the above:

http://www.hps-online.com/colon/bcc1.htm

Menu is on the left on that site.

[Jodi]

Since there have been a lot of discussion about cutting weight as of late, I thought it may be good to start a thread about cutting weight.

I have an question for Jodi too. Since you help bodybuilders with their diet and bodybuilders are known for having a very low fat percentage.

What is the absolute minimum of fat a human being needs have to function normally? I thought below 3 or 4 % bodyfat one risking serious health problems (dehydration, liver failure, etc) and even death?

I know a fighter like Arona just has 6 or 7 % body fat and he has good stamina. But fighters like Overeem/Coleman are very ripped and gass out after a few minutes. ( in Coleman's case is may have an other cause)

In my personal view I think too much cutting is bad for a fighter's performance. A fighter should aways try to fight at its own natural weight, that means no to many cutting nor bulking up too much. Keep it in the middle!

Discuss!
For a male, then 6-7% is good to remain healthy, fit and have good endurance. 3% is low and that is very close to a bodybuilder getting ready to step on stage. It's not healthy either. Nobody ever said bodybuilding competitions were healthy thats for sure. Sure, your ripped, shredded whatever but you aren't healthy.

For women 7% is competition standards and 15% is healthy and lean.

[Shinbone]

For a male, then 6-7% is good to remain healthy, fit and have good endurance. 3% is low and that is very close to a bodybuilder getting ready to step on stage. It's not healthy either. Nobody ever said bodybuilding competitions were healthy thats for sure. Sure, your ripped, shredded whatever but you aren't healthy.

For women 7% is competition standards and 15% is healthy and lean.

Okay thank you for the information

[texasangel]

As far as I know, weight cutting is only unhealthy if you're an idiot. Medically speaking, most forms of quick cutting (like fasting or overhydration) are self-induced metabolic shock. But if you look down the road to say, 2 months away, and say " I want to be 10-15 lbs lighter for ____ tournament" I think it could do a lot for your fighting style. I say that because you would probably be stepping up cardio and dropping less healthy foods from your diet, and that can only benefit you and your fighting style in the long run.

Regarding colonic therapy, it is true that most people have several lbs of undisgested food in their tract, and that colonic therapy can be benefical for some. I think the biggest note I can make on that fact is to find someone with experience, certification (to my knowledge they should be at least an RN), and references. Some people do feel tired, other people feel like a million bucks. It's important to keep really well hydrated afterward, and I probably wouldn't reccomend same day training, but I could definately be wrong on that issue.

[AKA]

I lost 7 kg the last 5 weeks... It wasnt that tough, but it still hurts the first 2 weeks of diet!

Morning: 1 shaker of Protein ( Weider)
Lunch: 1 Shaker of Protein ( Weider or Inko) and 1 fruit.
Dinner: Vegetables+Soup.

I made a lots of exception, like one meal every 2 days wasnt very dietetic! But it still worked good.
I was 97.5 kg and now I'm 90.5 kg, I almso lose my marriage ring now!
I lost 4 kg the first 2 weeks and then 3 kg in 3 weeks.

I didnt make that much sports coz I didnt have time and energy.

Now I'm ready to begin my thai boxing season.

[AKA]

Hum,
I also used:

Fat burner the morning, CLA morning and Lunch and Chitosan the dinner.

[smacktime]

I think if a fighter has to reduce weight quickly, to make weight for a fight then it's going to affect their performance. But over a long time it might be more beneficial to their fighting, as long as they don't go to low.

I lost 10kg in 2 months. from 94kg-84kg
Was a piece of piss too. All I really did was step up my cardio to 30 mins a day and ate 6 small meals. Really yummy and full all the time.

a sample of what I eat
Brekkie- 3 eggs whites + small can of oil free tuna, 1/2 tomato omelette with rye toast

snack 1 - 150g yogurt + blue berries or raspberries or protein shake

lunch - Salmon & steamed veggies + miso soup with tofu

snack 2- 100g lmonds or broad beans etc

Dinner- 150-200g lean steak Vegies and small bowl of rice + miso soup with tofu

dessert- Fruit or yogurt again (sometimes protien shake)

as you can see, eating heap but I lost alot of weight and now I can stick to this eating plan really easily because there are no, no no's!

[AKA]

yeah, after 8 kg in something line 6-7 week, my cardio is horrible!!!

[smacktime]

yeah? Mine improved big time (cardio that is)

[T6ll]

There is a very good book written about nutrition for grapplers (suits also perfectly for stand up fighters and MMA practitioners) and how to cut weight the right way.

It`s called "Grapplers Guide to Sports Nutrition".


If you can`t find it from internet then just PM me.