Info, thoughts and pix from K-1 GP 2004

[( o Y o )]

What an increadible show this was.

One of the best cards in years, that was seriously tarnished by blind refs, and fighters not living up to expectations.

Amada ( very nervous this morning ) vs JLB was entertaining....they beat crap out of each other in the corner, leaving Amada shaky and JLB bloody ( from the nose). JLB stuck to plan this time I guess and Amada said he felt as though his kneecap was dislocated. They are not yet sure if the tendon/ligament is torn.

Mo...damned. He got KTFO and tried like hell to get up but was fucked. Perfect timing from Kao. Mo was almost in tears post fight....

Sefo beat Musashi. Musashi ran a marathon. I was surprised the extra was called, but the extra IMO was the closest of all of the rounds so for it to have then gone to Musashi was a bit of a shock.....but was to show things to come. Ray was understandably upset, but in his official interview was diplomatic and said someone needs to be held accountable for calls such as this one.

Peter....injured, or actually tore the muscle that runs along the side of the shin bone. That is official.

Hoost was also one very pissed man. He said if he lost he is able to admit it, but said his work rate was higer, and though Remy did very well, he did better. He also questioned why all judges were Japanese and noted that he believes Ray beat Musashi, Aerts beat Musashi last year, and even he beat Hug in 1996, but the favourite advanced. Also was very upset.

The Gary vs Abidi fight was war. Both had the other in trouble....first Abidi getting hurt, but he countered well and eventually had Gary in serious trouble but punched himself out....got caught a bit at the end and went down a few times. The final nail though was a huge hook, smack to the back of Abidi`s head.

Kao vs Musahi was pretty even though I agreed with the draw after three. After the extra round I thought it was still even, though Felix though Musashi took it with low kicks, and Musashi got the nod. Kao later said he was not under the impression that he lost that fight at all though.

Botha was the man against Remy. I mean, they boh did well bu had the bell rung 10 seconds earlier, Botha would have won. Both had a 30 second first round compared to Remy`s 4 rounds though.
Post fight Botha mentioned some HW boxing doors are opening so he`d think about which to pursue...

Remy vs Musashi was BS.

First three rounds was enough for Remy to win. And extra was BS but expected. The second extra and everyone was embarrassed at the level of bullshit. Blatent BS which Tanikawa mentione would ned looking at.

Remy was a mes afterwards though. Barely walking, sore ribs from Botha hard as hell punches, and a suspected torn muscle in his arm from the hoost fight, AND a saw shoulder. lol

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[Titan]

Keep em a coming!

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[-=[DM]=-]

nice pictures. thnx a lot. Big props to Remy, he is indeed a worthy champion. Something needs to be done with K-1 judges, seriously.

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[ANdYX]

thx man!!! Did Hoost mess up another arm?:P

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the ring and fighters entrance pix..

[( o Y o )]

Alright, it is 3 am here so I am sleeping.
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/fight/k1/live/200412/04/index.html
Heaps more pix here

Props again smacktime!!

[Amron]

thanks for the interesting insider-report!!!

[-=[DM]=-]

Seeing the photo of Musashi cheering after getting the win against Sefo make me want to cry. He shouldn't have accepted a victory like that.

[Mago]

Ouch, Remy is probably going to take months of holidays time now to recover from so much physical abuse. I'm glad that he acted like the true champion he is and never gave up, even considering the consequences on his body. Only a few can clame the same in K1 nowadays. This hometown tendency though is completely wrong, and K1 must think carefully about this if they really want to stabilish themsleves as a real world wide company, and not a japanese versus the rest of the world one. I mean, first was that ridiculous rule of keeping a japanese fighter on the final at all ocasions, by setting a closed tournement and giving the home boy a free ticket to the final. It always was a ridiculous and childish strategy to boost the org nacional pride, but since everytime they would loose in the first round, no one really cared much. Still, since Musashi grew somehow as a fighter and started to discuss the matchs with bigger competition, you just get the feeling the org went nuts and threw any attempt of fairness and clear judgement out of the window in order to give expression to their personnal feelings and do everything they can to make their favourite's chances as big as possible. I guess it must be pretty hard for the fighters to see the organization in which all of them fights and give it their all, clearly backing and taking the side of ONE of them, and not taking in consideration all other's careers and effort, by being unfair and biased toward their own interests.

And to be frank, I may be really worng here, but Musashi himself could take a step and be the first to resist this kind of political action inside the ring. Being a fighter, I'm sure he want to prove himself agaisnt the best out there but by using his own skills and capacity alone. And seeing the photos of him screaming in hapiness after getting awarded with suspicious, and most of the time, clear unfair decision victories, like if he just dominated and showed he is the man, is a little embarasing. I think he should learn more from Masato who went through the same situation but not only noticed it, but showed with his body language that he totatlly disagreed with what was going on...

hope i'm wrong here, I'm still to watch the fights by myself, but I really start to believe in what everybody is saying (specially from guys like ( o Y o ) and Space Potatoe), it's not that hard to imagine if you watched last year's final. And it is really making me loose interest in K1 as a whole...

[Kamatari]

It's great that you enjoyed this show as much as you did, the judging and the such overshadowed it for me. All in all I agree with you, though because of the extra round being so close in the Musashi/Sefo bout I wasn't as shocked on it. Ironically, I did think the Thai beat Musashi after 3 rounds, but lost the extra (kind of like a deja-vu really). Thought Musashi quite possibly did enough to warrant a draw, but after that he was slaughtered. What annoys me the most, is that every idiot acts like K-1 is representative of the entire kick... No, the entire fight scene with their insane calls.

And seeing the photos of him screaming in hapiness after getting awarded with suspicious, and most of the time, clear unfair decision victories, like if he just dominated and showed he is the man, is a little embarasing.
You're wrong, he doesn't act like he dominated or anything. Most of his fights are close and when he wins the fights he has every reason to be happy.

[-=[DM]=-]

And to be frank, I may be really worng here, but Musashi himself could take a step and be the first to resist this kind of political action inside the ring.

Completely agree. Accepting such a bs victory is as bad as the judges giving it to him. And cheering like he actually won.. well ... sigh.

Big props for Remy for not giving the judges a reason to rob him.

[Kamatari]

=-']Completely agree. Accepting such a bs victory is as bad as the judges giving it to him. And cheering like he actually won.. well ... sigh.
Maybe, I'm just alone on this. But, a lot of people thought his victory against Aerts was a biased call as well. That's just typical Musashi. You won't see him dominante an elite fighter because his style makes it hard and he lacks the physical capabilities. What he has accomplished the past year was a rather inspiring feat. Doesn't take away that this K-1 final was shameful though.

[heckyl]

it would have been shameful, had the final injustice been carried out. but they couldnt do it cause it was blatently obvious he lost to remy.

[Shinobu]

I can't comment on the recent GP (haven't seen it yet, unlike some of you lucky bastards :)) but Musashi did beat Aerts. You can't expect Musashi to dominate someone like Aerts (or Sefo). If you don't like his style...no problem. But not every nod Musashi gets is a biased one.

[Titan]

Here's an article and some official pictures on the K-1 GP Final:

http://kakutougi.info/content/view/61/2/

[GarouMAX]

Just wondering..but were there any pics of Masato taken?

[Titan]

The pictures in the article above are from K-1. No pictures of Masato were included in that package. Not sure what (o Y o) got in his camera. We'll see when he wakes up. :-)

[smacktime]

morning
I am glad that someone saw it the way way that I saw it especially with Ray/Musashi call. I thought that I was maybe alittle biased to ray being such a big fan of his. But seems I'm not alone.

Just as Musashi was coming out for the final they were announcing that this is Japan 's & K-1's dream to have a Japanese fighter win the GP. I said "oh oh" to my wife but I didn't report it on the PBP but , well lokk what happened.

When are K-1 going to realise that not ONLY japanese are watching this damn GP & that the rest of the world is too. It just makes them look bad.
Props to Remy for keeping his call. I was so nervous that musashi might have got just one good hit in in that last round, enough for the judges to give it to him, but remy owned him.

Congrats Remy!

[Tommy_Arashikage]

You could tell they REALLY wanted a Remy/Musashi rematch with Musashi winning. Worst judging that I have seen in years. Sefo won, Botha/Remy may have deserved an extra round, and Hoost probably did enough to beat Remy. That's why having guys like Jerome, Greco, and Bernardo on past GP's: You knew someone was gonna go full bore and KO or be KO'd.

If you ask me, all the judges should be American, seeing as how their are hardly ever any in the tourney. :D

[Grant Ellis]

Well, it is simply my feeling Musashi became the first fighter to lose three fights in one night.
I just watched the Grand Prix with three other people, and felt he did his best, but did not defeat Sefo or Kaokloi.

Many of us also felt Hoost won the fight against Remy, although it was very close.
And I agree, if Botha hadn't been knocked down, he would have beat Remy. He was knocked down though, and Remy showed great courage. He fought like a champion.

No disrespect to Musashi or K-1. We enjoyed the fights and look forward to next year.

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Rays fight for me didn`t need to go the extra round at all. K-1 used to reward the agressor on close fights hen one runs a lot and over clinches ( something Musashi never once got a yellow card for ).

The Kaoklai one and the Hoost fight I`ll have to watch on video as they were too close for me to say for sure just seeing live.

The Botha fight, Rey won. A KD is a KD and it is the same reasn the final fight didn` need to go even the first extra round.

Botha did not complain about the loss and realises he lost only because of the KD. The fact one judge scored him 25.5 though pissed him off as that means he lost every round....which he didn`t.

The final fight IMO was even worse than the Masato fight in MAX. The several pissed off fighters right now all deserve to be pissed off.

[smacktime]

You could tell they REALLY wanted a Remy/Musashi rematch with Musashi winning. Worst judging that I have seen in years. Sefo won, Botha/Remy may have deserved an extra round, and Hoost probably did enough to beat Remy. That's why having guys like Jerome, Greco, and Bernardo on past GP's: You knew someone was gonna go full bore and KO or be KO'd.

If you ask me, all the judges should be American, seeing as how their are hardly ever any in the tourney. :D

for your first point I think they didn't really care about anything but Musashi being in the GP. Remy was just a bonus.

point 2 K-1 definately needs to "Internationalise" the judging panel.

[Grant Ellis]

Rays fight for me didn`t need to go the extra round at all. K-1 used to reward the agressor on close fights hen one runs a lot and over clinches ( something Musashi never once got a yellow card for ).

The Kaoklai one and the Hoost fight I`ll have to watch on video as they were too close for me to say for sure just seeing live.

The Botha fight, Rey won. A KD is a KD and it is the same reasn the final fight didn` need to go even the first extra round.

Botha did not complain about the loss and realises he lost only because of the KD. The fact one judge scored him 25.5 though pissed him off as that means he lost every round....which he didn`t.

The final fight IMO was even worse than the Masato fight in MAX. The several pissed off fighters right now all deserve to be pissed off.

Yeah, I was watching the fight with Botha and it was close... just a lesson to learn in keeping your hands up. heh.

I have to respect all fighters who participated though, even if I don't agree with the decisions. Musashi did not judge his own fights, it wasn't what he was paid to do. He kept winning according to the judges, so he kept fighting.

Let's just hope any fighters who were injured recover from their injuries.
The fans got their money's worth.

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Remy was in much better conditions and spirits today. The limps ( both legs ) and sling were all but gone, h still looked very tired though.

I agree about Musashi....he is in the ring doing the best he can and we can`t expect him to always feel the same way as the judges....he may have felt he won some but lost, and lost some but won. The Judges and Refs are responsible, not the fighters.

Kakuda has said he will review the tapes and see IF there were any problems before taking action, but with 4 fighters all feeling cheated, something must happen.

This to me though, takes nothing away from Remy. He fought a war against Hoost, another against a very fresh Botha, and pounded Musashi for 5 rounds. 12 rounds and 36 minutes is the longest ANY champ has every had to fight to win a GP. He deserves his props for that.

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Of course the judges is to blame. Some of us just felt that the fighter being unfairly favoured has the option to protest. At last years K-1 Scandinavia the judges ruled the fight between Larry Lindwall and Michael McDonald a draw, a fight that McDonald clearly won. Lindwall gave McDonald the trophy, raised his hand and left the ring clearly acknowledgeing McDonald as the winner.

I'm not saying that Musahsi *should* have done that, but clearly it is possible for fighters to protest an unfair decision.

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Understood. I think had Musashi done so though, he`d be in serious, serious trouble with the amount of commercial sponsor $$$ involved ( the reason they pushed him that far in the first place IMO ).

[El Presidente]

Lots of suspect judging this year relating to Japanese fighters (especially against the Thais)

- Buakaw vs Masato (uneccesary extra rounds)
- Buakaw vs Kozo (uneccesary extra rounds)
- Abidi vs Musashi (shouldve had an extra round?)
- Kaoklai vs Musashi (it seems)
- Sefo vs Musashi (it seems)
- Bonjaski vs Musashi II

Hmmm.

[Lennox]

I think K-1 is getting desperate for a Japanese GP Champ. Maybe help with TV ratings?

[Kamatari]

- Buakaw vs Kozo (uneccesary extra rounds)
- Abidi vs Musashi (shouldve had an extra round?)

Don't think these fights should be listed.

[Kamatari]

Oh and I thought Hoost won against Bonjasky. Thought that Botha deserved a draw, same people that have been saying Masato vs. Zambidis (and Kohi for that matter) deserved to go to an extension all of a sudden either didn't watch the fight or slept through it. It's a shame the bullshit with Musashi overshadows it.

[DND]

Musashi smashed Sefo in the extra round... the 3 rounds prior to that were close, but with Sefo leading because of Musashi backing off constantly. But the extra round was definitely Musashi's, he landed a shitload of kicks, Sefo only landed a few punches and a good kick to the nutsack.

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Don't think these fights should be listed.

The Kozo fight I agree with you, and generally I would with the Abidi fight. But, during the eliminations I think the Abidi fight was easily as close, or closer than the Iggy vs Kaoklai and JLB vs Botha fights which both went extra rounds....so if that was the standard for the night, it too should have.

Under real judging none of the three should have.

[smacktime]

I think K-1 is getting desperate for a Japanese GP Champ. Maybe help with TV ratings?

yes they are BUT most of the Japanese people don't really like musashi anyway. All they J guys that I talked to today thought there was a smelly fish last night. So it's the SPONSORS who i would think are putting the pressure on.. Japanese samurai spirit crap.

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Watch the Abidi vs Musashi fight.

The crowd are screaming


"ABIDI ABIDI ABIDI"......I was pretty surprised.

[Shinobu]

Lots of suspect judging this year relating to Japanese fighters (especially against the Thais)

- Buakaw vs Masato (uneccesary extra rounds)
- Buakaw vs Kozo (uneccesary extra rounds)
- Abidi vs Musashi (shouldve had an extra round?)
- Kaoklai vs Musashi (it seems)
- Sefo vs Musashi (it seems)
- Bonjaski vs Musashi II

Hmmm.
I watched Abidi-Musashi yesterday on TV again and imo Musashi took it. He had some nice knees and kicks. He didn't shut down Abidi, but when does he ever shut down anyone? :)
Buakaw-Masato anyone will agree, was bullshit. Vs Kozo I think the extra rounds were justified.
Can't comment on the recent GP.

[El Presidente]

Wasnt sure about the Kozo-Buakaw fight. But listed it anyway because someone mentioned something along those lines awhile back.

Anyway. :)

[smacktime]

Can't comment on the recent GP.

when are you going to be able to see the fight?

[El Presidente]

Just thinking... who was the last person that Musashi KTFO?

[Amron]

fact is just that this whole thing is a business, a unbelievable huge business...i think with the commercials/sponsors and everything theres really alot of money behind it, forcing people to piss on the 'fair-game'

..yeah there are lots of fans around the world of K-1, BUT the money right now is made in japan, i mean you cant even order most of those K-1-Fan-Shirts or stuff outside from Japan via internet, if Bonjasky/Hoost or Musashi would do a commercial for a big firm in europe, who would give a fuck there? exactly more or less nobody.

But in Japan those guys really can sell things (Sapp...), especially a japanese fighter that wins the GP. Obviously those decisions werent marketing-wise about a longterm strategy to get more fans worldwide, but to conquer the japanese market (i dont know if there is a 'contest' for fans in Japan between K-1 and Pride FC)...

its really sad that the business took over so hard, leaving the old Martial Arts and especially Samurai code behind itself...

BTW just watched again this Musashi vs Abidi bout, and i have to say it for me it was one of the best of those Eliminations, both fighters kicking each others asses for 3 rounds

And in the Hoost vs Bonjasky Bout is really looks like Ernesto has a higher work-rate, alot of Bonjaskys kicks were getting on his guard...but once again, i think there should an expert of the K-1 point-system have a look at it...

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Just thinking... who was the last person that Musashi KTFO?

Gamlin

[Amron]

Just thinking... who was the last person that Musashi KTFO?


his little brother when they were in firstgrade??!!

[El Presidente]

Gamlin

Sorry. I meant the last FIGHTER that Musashi KTFO :)

[bbbmarc]

Just wanna say that now everyone have to recognize Remy as currently no1 in K1, he won 2 GP in a row, beat Hoost on the way, beat Musashi (along with K-1 judeges), and beat tough-Buffallo.
Other fighters had a chance for proving that Remy's last years trophy was coincidental, but they failed (earlier or later).


and, of course, props to boobs for the report

[TheDude]

I have seen the Buakew/Kozo fight, and I feel Buakew won it during the three rounds. Kozo was just way too passive, and was landing only those lowkicks that did not hurt Buakew at all. Kozos arm got busted(he has to retire because of it?) by the kicks, so I do not understand how people call it a close or exciting fight. Buakew was just kicking Kozo for 4 rounds, and then knocked him down twice in the 5th.

[smacktime]

Just thinking... who was the last person that Musashi KTFO?

I was looking at this yesterday during the intermission showing the wife his stats because i was asking myself the exact same question!
A hellava decisions there.
MUSASHI'S K-1 stats. (http://www.so-net.ne.jp/feg/k-1gp/ctop.htm)

[Shinobu]

when are you going to be able to see the fight?
On TV (Eurosport) 27 of December. I will get it before that on VCD though. Not the best of quality but hey I can't wait until 27th :). Should be getting it in the next couple of days.

[Tommy_Arashikage]

Now that I think about it, the only fight Musashi was really aggressive in was the Kaoklai fight, and he just stepped forward, really not showing much offense.

As for Aerts, I just had this horrible feeling that he was going to get hurt and it happened. I don't think he has been completely healthy in a GP since 1999.

[Paul T]

I thought the fightrs did a great job.
Quaterfinals:

Mighty Mo Vrs Kao = WOW!

Musashi versus Sefo = I thought Sefo had it pretty convincingly
at the end of 3rd round. Musashi had good kicks and knees,
But ray was the agressor and landed more. bad judging call.

Aerts - too bad.

Bonjasky versus Hoost. I thought Hoost pretty clearly won round 1-2
and probably 3. Harder shots landed and more agressive. I actually
agreed with the U.S. commentators (for once) of how the fight was going.
Granted, I do think Bonjasky won the 4th, but there should not have beeen a 4th.

Semi Finals:

I have watched this twice now.
Musashi vrs Kao was a good fight. hard to score.
reminded me almost (I said Almost) of JWP vers Bukkao at Max.
Anyway, a draw seemed appropriate as it was very hard to score.
I would like to see Kao at the K-1 USA so he can fight Mike McDonald,
Dewey cooper etc. this would be very entertaining indeed!

Botha versus Remy also a good fight. hands versus feet.
I think Botha may have eecked it out if not for the
final 10 seconds of the 3rd round. he was out of punching
range, but seemed to have forgot he was not out of kicking range.
good stuff.

[MexicanFighter39]

I Got About 2 Weeks To Wait Till I See This, Then I Will Judge For Myself About The Horrible Calls By The Judges. Hopefully They Will Correct This In Future, As This Seriously Gives Them A Bad Rep. In My Opinion I Think That MAX Has Overtaken The Heavyweights.

[-=[DM]=-]

Sorry. I meant the last FIGHTER that Musashi KTFO

No fighter bashing, now you being a mod you may have to ban yourself ;)

[bbbmarc]

Sorry. I meant the last FIGHTER that Musashi KTFO :)
Tell ADO that Stefan Gamlin isnt fighter!
lol

[Lennox]

Mushahi sure KTFO'd Michael Thompson , but that was wayyyyyyy back in like 1996. I honestly doubt he can KO any good fighters(not bashing him)

[Sudoraba]

Just wondering..but were there any pics of Masato taken?

Have you seen Perfect Blue?

[Sudoraba]

Lots of suspect judging this year relating to Japanese fighters (especially against the Thais)

- Buakaw vs Masato (uneccesary extra rounds)
- Buakaw vs Kozo (uneccesary extra rounds)
- Abidi vs Musashi (shouldve had an extra round?)
- Kaoklai vs Musashi (it seems)
- Sefo vs Musashi (it seems)
- Bonjaski vs Musashi II

Hmmm.

I wouldn't list Abidi vs Musashi. I do admittedly dislike Musashi ALOT after this GP, but I will give credit for that was a decisive win. He controlled the pace of the fight and tore up Abidi's midsection with long knees and kicks and Abidi had nothing on him. Abidi and Musashi both suck though.

[Paul T]

I happened to watch this with a friend who had nver seen K-1.
He was not shocked when the call for a 4th round was made
in Musashi versus Bonjasky. But after the 4th, he was asking
me what the hell was going on. in the 4th, Bonjasky must
have laned2 if not 3 times as many shots. Oh well.

[El Presidente]

Tell ADO that Stefan Gamlin isnt fighter!
lol

I was hoping I'd draw him out of the woodwork with that one!

Just kidding anyway. Respect to Gamlin.

[( o Y o )]

I just posted this elsewhere so thought I`d add it here too....

In a nutshell, everyone that fought Remy and Musashi later complained about the JD. Every single one. All 4. One or two is to be expected in an event of this magnitude I guess. But when each and everyone has reason to complain, it goes way beyond fishy.

Ray got ripped off. Kaoklai felt he did too. Hoost was very upset. Botha getting scored a 25.5 by one judge was pure bullshit. Remy had to fight 2 complete and untter BS extra rounds.

Not to go into any in too much detail, but Remy scored a knockdown in the first against Musashi, and Musashi never completely dominated a single round against him but somehow managed to make it up.

One judge scored the first round 9/10 despite the KD, and every other round for Musashi......I believe that was the same judge as the one that scored Botha 25.5....

I believe I am one of the few fans left of Kakuda, but.....

He said if Montana Silva every fought again he`d step down ( after the Musashi BS fight ) which he didn`t.

He "took responsibility" for the MAX BS by taking a paycut and promising it`d never happen again.

What good is a public figure representing K-1 that is less believeable than Bush?????

[El Presidente]

With that first knockdown against Musashi the round shouldve been 10-8 on all judges score cards. There's is no exception. Weird...

[El Presidente]

I believe I am one of the few fans left of Kakuda, but.....

He said if Montana Silva every fought again he`d step down ( after the Musashi BS fight ) which he didn`t.

He "took responsibility" for the MAX BS by taking a paycut and promising it`d never happen again.

What good is a public figure representing K-1 that is less believeable than Bush?????

Dont forget his Rocky IV speech...

[Kamatari]

Dont forget his Rocky IV speech...
I actually loved it.

[GarouMAX]

Have you seen Perfect Blue?

I slept through it.
I remember there being something about an obsessed fan in the storyline somewhere...or something, I dont remember.

Why do you ask?

[MZN]

Tell ADO that Stefan Gamlin isnt fighter!
lol

Talking about ado. :) Have you ever invited him over boobs?

Ontopic:
What is it that people don't want to recognize Bonjasky as the champ? His win over Hoost was controversial but why should it been have a draw vs Botha? I personally thought that a knock-down can only be equalled with another knock-down especially after Aerts vs. McD.

In support of Remy, I saw him dig deep into his abilities and recomposing him after every bs call in his fight against Musashi. It just struck me that his corner was talking to him and when he was called out to fight again his face changed back to rage and thunder and no more dissappointment, spanking musashi with his hurt arms, kicking and flying with his besieged midsection and lower back. He really dug deep, I'm very impressed of him.

[Kamatari]

Everyone recognizes Remy as champion it would be hard not to, however everyone's jumping on Musashi and his fights while Remy's wins featured a certain amount of controversy as well. While I can't think of a recent example in heavyweight K-1 in MAX both Kraus and Ludwig got draws even though they were knocked down. Botha earned a draw IMO, and it's a shame no standard is applied as Botha was more dominant than in both of the listed MAX fights. Even a split-decision wouldn't be hard to swallow as Botha owned two rounds while Remy won the last one with a KD.

[Dado]

Whats this about his Rocky speech?

[Missy]

I'm glad I have to wait to see the final, so I can revive all the disappointment for the new year!

[Sudoraba]

I slept through it.
I remember there being something about an obsessed fan in the storyline somewhere...or something, I dont remember.

Why do you ask?

No reason ^_^

[K1power]

Please can anyone tell me what Kakudo said in his speech. A lot of people made comments about it...

[( o Y o )]

Talking about ado. :) Have you ever invited him over boobs?


Yeah, but I think he is boycotting us. LOL

Or he is under a different handle....

[MZN]

Yeah, but I think he is boycotting us. LOL

Or he is under a different handle....

Yep, his contract prevents him. LoL, I smell work ;)