Event Results Elite XC 10/04/08 - Heat [Archive]

miscmisc

5th October 2008, 08:32 AM

Hey, don't tell me none you watched it. It was going to be an epic event, and an epic it was.

Jorge Boechat vs. Nicolae Cury - Cury by TKO R1

David Gomez vs. Bryan Hamade - Hamade by TKO (submission) R1

Mikey Gomez vs. Lorenzo Borgomeo - Gomez by Armbar R2

James Edson Berto vs. Conor Heun - Heun by TKO R2

Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos vs. Yoko Takahashi - Santos by UD

Murilo "Ninja" Rua vs. Benji Radach - Radach by TKO R2

Gina Carano vs. Kelly Kobold - Carano by UD

Andrei Arlovski vs. Roy Nelson - AA by KO R2

Jake Shields vs. Paul Daley - Shields by Armbar R2

Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson vs. Seth Petruzelli - Petruzelli by TKO R1

Oh Lord.

Oh Lord.

Oh Lord.

I couldn't stop laughing when Kimbo crumbled and displayed his awesome non-defense on the ground. I kind of knew Petruzelli would beat him, though. That guy is not really a joke, despite how he looks, whereas Kimbo is, well, a bit on the joke side. I understand why the Kimbo camp hesitated a bit when they proposed Seth as the new opponent.

WAR gravity-enhancing underwear for Gina. WAR 1.75lbs instantly gone.

Anyway, I don't know if this outcome is spin-able no matter how hard they try.

And Ken is an incredible idiot. He deserves all the words Frank pounded on him. What a disgrace.

Discuss away.

Brock8

5th October 2008, 09:18 AM

Yeah, this is the second time Seth has brought reality home to one of these over-hyped fighters. He drilled Sapp, but somehow K-1 figured out a way to give Sapp the win in what I remember as a "WTF" happened moment.

mdhan

5th October 2008, 09:49 AM

IMO Elite XC really, really needed the Kimbo-Shamrock fight to happen to have any kind of hopes of surviving. Shamrock pulling out broke that hope, and Kimbo getting knocked out by a complete no-name (to every casual fan- i.e. the ones who matter - anyway) in just over 10 seconds smashed it into bits. All Elite XC has left is a marketable female star who keeps failing to make weight, a heavyweight champ accused of juicing, a vacant lightweight title, and two talented yet "uncharismatic" champs at middleweight and welterweight.

If I were Tito, I would have second thoughts about signing a deal with Elite XC at the moment. :(

Bangalter

5th October 2008, 10:29 AM

How did Ken get a cut? shaving? LOL!

I've just seen the Kimbo fight and while Kimbo is overrated by many he was too eager in this fight, way to eager.

Sixtus

5th October 2008, 11:12 AM

I didn't watch the event but I saw the Kimbo fight.. wow, just wow. How could something like that happen to someone as tough as Kimbo. Even if his skill level isn't that high.. getting KOed by a one legged Jab? Insane.. Surely if Kimbo had a glass jaw it would have come out during his training..

The worst part is Ken is probably sitting back watching, thinking "that could have been me! I could have KOed Kimbo!".

What a massive upset for EliteXC

And Ken is an incredible idiot. He deserves all the words Frank pounded on him. What a disgrace.
And could someone explain this to me? What was said?

Paxlie

5th October 2008, 12:33 PM

I didn't watch the event but I saw the Kimbo fight.. wow, just wow. How could something like that happen to someone as tough as Kimbo. Even if his skill level isn't that high.. getting KOed by a one legged Jab? Insane.. Surely if Kimbo had a glass jaw it would have come out during his training..

The worst part is Ken is probably sitting back watching, thinking "that could have been me! I could have KOed Kimbo!".

What a massive upset for EliteXC

And could someone explain this to me? What was said?

He said something along the lines of that Ken never trains light. He always pushes it which is why he was cut. Basically calling him an idiot on live tv.

Kimbo getting KO'd by a weak jab was not what I expected :D
Shields was lucky he got the sub. He would have gotten KO'd otherwise.
Carano had to work HARD for her win though.

Jarzi

5th October 2008, 12:59 PM

I watched and re-watched and I just can't see the punch that put Kimbo down. Were it other way around I'd be screaming work :)

Three minute rounds for women are a joke.

( o Y o )

5th October 2008, 01:14 PM

there was a half right jab that lands just under Kimbo's eye and he nose-plants right after it. It doesn't seem to have landed with any power at all, but I guess it hit his soft spot.

Titan

5th October 2008, 01:27 PM

Nelson gets stood up when he's in sidecontrol working a kimura on Arlovski and kneeing him to the body. I don't like it.

Kimbo got knocked out by a one-legged jab from a light heavyweight weighing in at 205.5 lbs. I liked it.

Sixtus

5th October 2008, 01:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1K3_bGKofw

If that doesn't work;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1K3_bGKofw

Added: I mean I want to say what Kimbo did wrong and what he should try to do next time... but he got dropped by a one legged jab. Glass jaw?

K-1 Extremist

5th October 2008, 03:49 PM

I am not impressed by Kimbo's performance.

chorb

5th October 2008, 03:54 PM

after watching that vid Sixtus linked, the scene becomes even more ridiculous. not only was it a one legged jab, Seth blocked Kimbo's right hook with his off-the-ground leg, then threw that wobbly counter right jab.

on one leg
block punch with other leg
throw right jab while still on one leg, while blocking punch with other leg

Gomi Shoji

5th October 2008, 04:14 PM

likma

5th October 2008, 04:19 PM

Nelson gets stood up when he's in sidecontrol working a kimura on Arlovski and kneeing him to the body. I don't like it.
Yeah, that was ridiculous.

perchdogg

5th October 2008, 05:55 PM

Shields didn't look very good - his standup just isn't there. I like Daley but you can make the same complaint against him in regards to his ground game. However, Daley isn't the one who has gone around trying to drum up interest in a fight with GSP. Shields' standup is really deficient, and he reacted pretty poorly to eating some shots.

Nelson getting stood up from side control on Arlovksi was, like everyone said, abominable. Arlovski ended up making out alright, but this fight casts doubt in my mind about how well Arlovski would account himself against Barnett, much less Fedor.

Kimbo.... man oh man, what can you say? I like some others on here just laughed when I saw it. What a joke. The only bad part about it will be Dana White's reaction to the whole thing.

And Ken Shamrock, I couldn't stand him before, and I like him even less now. What a moron.

As for Frank's comments on Ken, he was right in calling him an idiot, but I thought it was pretty transparent that he was also attempting to drum up interest in a fight between them for the future - something about Ken harming the Shamrock family legacy??? Come on....

Shameless Frank also called out Tito in the broadcast as well... the dude is an amazing self-promoter though.

heckyl

5th October 2008, 06:39 PM

i didnt catch the show. i was covering the evomma show in az for my site. nelson stood up from sidemount when he was working for a finish? how was the fight going before that?

aubtin

5th October 2008, 06:41 PM

I had to laugh at the Kimbo fight. I enjoyed every fight I saw on some level, but I do fight it's getting harder and harder to watch EliteXC (purely from a production perspective).

miscmisc

5th October 2008, 06:56 PM

i didnt catch the show. i was covering the evomma show in az for my site. nelson stood up from sidemount when he was working for a finish? how was the fight going before that?

Pretty badly for AA. Nelson took the first round, was doing pretty good in the 2nd until he got caught.

timmothy84

5th October 2008, 07:01 PM

Sad thing is I am a fan of Kimbo lol and I bought into the hype thinking he had a solid chin and good punching power. How wrong I was... What makes the loss worse for Kimbo is the guy weighted in at 205 1/2. Dana must be loving this a TUF fighter beats up the Golden boy for EliteXC. I like to see Tito and Frank Shamrock go at it. It should be very entertaining.

heckyl

5th October 2008, 07:06 PM

Pretty badly for AA. Nelson took the first round, was doing pretty good in the 2nd until he got caught.

thats sad. i thought Nelson could take the fight too, and would. thats a shame they dicked him over like that.

miscmisc

5th October 2008, 07:14 PM

BTW, how was the Arizona show, heckyl? I saw an ad somewhere on the net, and it looked pretty good, with a few names I remembered from some other shows.

MZN

5th October 2008, 07:27 PM

The only thing I have to add is that Radach - Ninja was also quite the nice brawl. Anderson Silva style striking though... I haven't seen it :)

TheDude

5th October 2008, 08:13 PM

thats sad. i thought Nelson could take the fight too, and would. thats a shame they dicked him over like that.

I liked Andrei for this fight, but still, it really didnt look like Nelson was going to take the fight. Andrei is just too experienced to rush a fight like that.

heckyl

5th October 2008, 08:23 PM

BTW, how was the Arizona show, heckyl? I saw an ad somewhere on the net, and it looked pretty good, with a few names I remembered from some other shows.

it was awesome. it was also my first live show, and i got to be press. it was fantastic. the guys took real good care of us. there wasnt a boring fight that night. look out for Ben Henderson. he took it hard to Diego Saraiva dominating the standup and the ground with lightning fast takedowns, good sub defense and gnp from the top. dudes got a work rate comparable to clay guida including the bottomless gas tank. we will see him in the big shows soon. ill be sure to send you a link to the review and pictures when its all up and ready.

heckyl

5th October 2008, 08:25 PM

I liked Andrei for this fight, but still, it really didnt look like Nelson was going to take the fight. Andrei is just too experienced to rush a fight like that.

i havent watched it. i thought Roy could take him before hand. im just basing the dicked over part off of what ive heard about it.

FieldingMellish

6th October 2008, 01:36 AM

Good God.

What a fantastically entertaining (yet mortifying) show.

Kenny is definitely an idiot. But not as much as some of the other people involved in this fiasco.

Benji-Ninja was a fun fight and I enjoyed seeing Benji win. That old Chute Boxe 'fling your limbs all over the place' style needs to be stopped. Now. People have figured it out.

Gina was lovely. And she had a great fight. As always. If they last lonmg enough to do the Gina vs. Mrs Cyborg fight they MUST subtitle it 'Beauty & the Beast'.

The referee in the Nelson-Arlovski fight should have been shot. Or drowned. That stand-up was appalling. Roy needs to learn how to defend against low kicks. Frank Shamrock claiming Arlovski dominated the fight was utterly hilarious considering only Abe Bellardo and Cecil Peoples could have given the metrosexual the first round.

Hasn't Tito been 'about a week away' from signing a deal with EliteXC or Affliction for about two months now?

I expected Shields to beat Daley quicker. Good first round by Shields but Daley showed some nice stand-up in the second. Sweet armbar finish. And at least somebody finally smartened Shields up and he called out Lawler instead of GSP in his post-fight interview.

Kimbo-Seth.................

Oh my.

Gus Johnson is mostly to blame for this but EliteXC looked so fucking ghetto when they made iut sound like Seth just turned up at the arena and got the fight. I had images of them frisking every ticket buying fan and asking if they'd done MMA befgore finally striking it lucky when seth showed up. An announcer's job is to tell stories and Gus told the wrong one.

Kimbo looked pathetic. And his post-fight interview was a disgrace. If I'd lost a fight like that I wouldn't be yammering about it being 'all good' and plugging my after-party. I'd hang my big, shiny bald head in shame at being KOed by that hopping right hand and generally looking like a sack of crap.

I felt sorry for Mauro at the end. There was Gus, blithering about Kimbo when it was blatantly obvious that anybody with a brain would have glossed over that and talked about Gina and Shields winning their fights. Poor Mauro totally understands that and had to stand there quietly while Gus buried the company even further into the ground.

FieldingMellish

6th October 2008, 01:45 AM

What makes this even worse is that Kimbo demanded more money to fight Seth or he wouldn't fight.

timmothy84

6th October 2008, 05:27 AM

What makes this even worse is that Kimbo demanded more money to fight Seth or he wouldn't fight.

No way, I didn't know this!? Kimbo asked for more money? That's not right. He is already way over paid in the sport. I was a fan of Kimbo but after asking for more money and he disrepected Shamrock for no reason then wouldn't tap gloves with Seth during the face off, he deserved to lose the fight yesterday. I too really like the Ninja and carano fight.

FieldingMellish

6th October 2008, 10:43 AM

No way, I didn't know this!? Kimbo asked for more money? That's not right. He is already way over paid in the sport. I was a fan of Kimbo but after asking for more money and he disrepected Shamrock for no reason then wouldn't tap gloves with Seth during the face off, he deserved to lose the fight yesterday. I too really like the Ninja and carano fight.

He basically blackmailed them. No idea how much they had to pay him but if he didn't get the money he'd have been perfectly happy to fuck them over and leave the show without a main event.

Nice.

TheDude

6th October 2008, 07:05 PM

Makes perfect sense. Seth is a completely different opponent than Shamrock, and the risks were quite a lot bigger. I mean, losing to Seth would be devastating to his career. Not to mention the returns smaller, as a win against Seth would not create a lot of hype for his career. So why shouldn't he renegotiate? It's not like EliteXC would be there for him in the long run if he started losing.

FieldingMellish

6th October 2008, 08:44 PM

Soulrise

6th October 2008, 09:14 PM

What was EliteXC thinking putting Kimbo in with Petruzelli??? Yeah he gave up a lot in size but all that kickboxing experience pretty much negates Kimbo's "strengths" which really is powerful punching.

I was disappointed that Paul Daley lost, I've really enjoyed the fights that I've seen him in. At least he was able to take Shields into the second round. Hopefully he develops more ground skills because he's an exciting fighter who's fun to watch.

Arlovski/Nelson mostly bored me except for when Nelson was smothering Andrei's face with his titty while he had side control.

Carano/Kobald was just atrocious to watch. Their styles made for an unappealing fight until about the last minute in round 3 when Carano finally started to find her rhythm. If EliteXC continues to put wrestlers in front of Gina let's hope they at least find wrestlers who are more well rounded.

Ninja/Radich was fun but disappointing since I'm much more of a Ninja fan and have never really appreciated Radich. Still, a matchup between Radich and the winner of Lawler/Villasenor should make for a good fight.

He said something along the lines of that Ken never trains light. He always pushes it which is why he was cut. Basically calling him an idiot on live tv.

Frank also said that Ken was disgracing the Shamrock name.

Viva Las Vegas

6th October 2008, 11:41 PM

I remember Seth dropping Sapp but what was the final result in that fight? Blurry memory.

Kenshin

7th October 2008, 12:04 AM

I remember Seth dropping Sapp but what was the final result in that fight? Blurry memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09hrKJzYKo ;)

machsaku

7th October 2008, 01:26 AM

^ was that at the '03 or '04 GP? Saitama, yes?

Jarzi

7th October 2008, 07:49 AM

Payouts:

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/slice-arlovski-net-500k-for-heat-14668

Kimbo made nice 500k.

bero

7th October 2008, 08:53 AM

anybody remember this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09hrKJzYKo

loreia

7th October 2008, 09:06 AM

Its not renegotiating when you tell the promotion (the people who pay you handsomely and made you a star) you want more money or you're not fighting.

Isn't that, like, ultimate negotiating LOL

loreia

7th October 2008, 09:11 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09hrKJzYKo ;)

LMFAO, Sapp was great ... :-P

FieldingMellish

7th October 2008, 09:33 AM

Isn't that, like, ultimate negotiating LOL

Either that or blackmail, lol.

And I've just heard a few more notes (from a pretty reliable source). Kimbo's $500,000 doesn't include that 'negotiated/blackmailed' amount which remains undisclosed.

Also, both Kenny and Seth were being specifically paid to stand with Kimbo. Kenny has apparently kept quiet about that but Seth has admitted it publicly, then denied he ever said it.

EliteXC are (rightfully) furious with Kenny and may not use him again.

Jarzi

7th October 2008, 11:37 AM

Also, both Kenny and Seth were being specifically paid to stand with Kimbo. Kenny has apparently kept quiet about that but Seth has admitted it publicly, then denied he ever said it.

That's pretty damn fucked up if true.

TheDude

7th October 2008, 11:57 AM

Its not renegotiating when you tell the promotion (the people who pay you handsomely and made you a star) you want more money or you're not fighting.

Be it morally right or wrong, but the moment your opponent drops out, the earlier contract needs to be renegotiated. The promotion is not an organization run by nuns. They are there for a profit, not for your well-being.

Paul T

7th October 2008, 01:39 PM

i thought the fight was stopped early.
I would have let the silverback keep on going since less than half of his punches were connecting on the ground.

Paxlie

7th October 2008, 10:59 PM

i thought the fight was stopped early.
I would have let the silverback keep on going since less than half of his punches were connecting on the ground.

After the fight (about a minute later) Kimbo is still taking the ref down. It was the right call, Kimbo did not know where he was or what he was doing.

Jarzi

8th October 2008, 08:32 AM

i thought the fight was stopped early.
I would have let the silverback keep on going since less than half of his punches were connecting on the ground.

Kimbo most certainly wasn't intelligently defending himself.

heckyl

8th October 2008, 07:19 PM

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b102/Plastikfan/petruzellied.jpg

heckyl

8th October 2008, 07:19 PM

the takedown

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/26290/thumbnail_crop_php_medium.jpg

Paul T

8th October 2008, 08:10 PM

nice. best move he did the whole fight!

K-1 Extremist

9th October 2008, 02:46 AM

the takedown

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/26290/thumbnail_crop_php_medium.jpg

You know that ref was shitting his pants. He was hoping and praying he could rouse Kimbo back into this realm before it hit the ground.

heckyl

9th October 2008, 03:33 AM

You know that ref was shitting his pants. He was hoping and praying he could rouse Kimbo back into this realm before it hit the ground.

or the ref figured if it escalated any he could just KO kimbo after what he had just witnessed...

ilostmydog

9th October 2008, 05:51 AM

I would've gone for a standing guillotine. Gannon got one easily enough.

timmothy84

9th October 2008, 06:47 AM

the takedown

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/26290/thumbnail_crop_php_medium.jpg

Is that Ricco in the blue tapout shirt in the background?

loreia

9th October 2008, 07:25 AM

^^
Looks like him

EckY

9th October 2008, 01:23 PM

Apparently Kimbo's posse threatened Seth's wife and corner following the fight. One cornerman was told he would be raped another was told he would be shot outside the arena.

Classy individuals.

Titan

9th October 2008, 01:49 PM

Apparently Kimbo's posse threatened Seth's wife and corner following the fight. One cornerman was told he would be raped another was told he would be shot outside the arena.

Classy individuals.

Definitely good for the sport.

Here's a link to the interview where Petruzelli talks about the threats:

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/07/seth-petruzelli-discusses-elitexc-bonus-money-kimbos-posse-threatening-his-wife-what-it-was-like-fighting-bob-sapp-and-more-in-new-exclusive-interview/

And this is what his cornerman said on the UG:

LOL.... one of them threatened to rape me when I was hanging on the cage after Seth won. Our other corner man was told hed be shot outside. :)

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=1&thread=1353796&page=1&pc=101

K-1 Extremist

10th October 2008, 12:49 AM

Bas Rutten would be best to distance himself from this guy. If this is all true, Kimbo's friends/associates are street trash and not embassadors of the sport.

heckyl

10th October 2008, 03:35 AM

did you expect any less from the reality kings? the producers of great pr0n such as Round and Brown, and 8th street latinas? of course they are street. nobody knew this?

machsaku

10th October 2008, 06:43 AM

did you expect any less from the reality kings? the producers of great pr0n such as Round and Brown, and 8th street latinas? of course they are street. nobody knew this?

8th street FTW bitches!!!

Kimbo is like, so the future of MMA. I can't wait for the future to get here....

gols

11th October 2008, 05:45 PM

I felt sorry for Mauro at the end. There was Gus, blithering about Kimbo when it was blatantly obvious that anybody with a brain would have glossed over that and talked about Gina and Shields winning their fights. Poor Mauro totally understands that and had to stand there quietly while Gus buried the company even further into the ground.

I like Gus.

He was probably just saying what he was told to talk about, it's not like they can just pretend that the Kimbo fight never happened...

machsaku

11th October 2008, 06:22 PM

I'm neutral when it comes to Dana White. But I totally agree with him here. I also laughed my ass off...:)
(in reference to the alleged payoff Seth took to stand w/Kimbo)
kkYC8TBzmmQ

Paul T

11th October 2008, 06:39 PM

I'm neutral when it comes to Dana White. But I totally agree with him here. I also laughed my ass off...:)
(in reference to the alleged payoff Seth took to stand w/Kimbo)
kkYC8TBzmmQ

Thank you. i knew he would have comments.
I was just telling a friend yesterday that eventually a clip like this would surface.
thank you!

Jarzi

11th October 2008, 06:55 PM

Dana is absolutely right.

gols

11th October 2008, 07:13 PM

I can't stand Dana, but that was pretty good.

machsaku

11th October 2008, 07:25 PM

thank you!

your welcome

Love him or hate him......Dana is candid in that clip.

FieldingMellish

11th October 2008, 09:48 PM

I like Gus.

He was probably just saying what he was told to talk about, it's not like they can just pretend that the Kimbo fight never happened...

I thought Gus really sucked on this broadcast. Here's a full dissection of his (and EliteXC's) performance as a TV entity by former Bodog commentater Paul Lazenby:

Look at the October 4th entry about Elite stepping on its dick http://www.paullazenby.com/

gols

12th October 2008, 02:26 AM

He makes some valid points there, but to me it mostly comes off as a bitter sounding rant.

What I like about Gus, is that he has only done 3 MMA shows and yet comes off sounding more professional than 90% of other MMA commentators, including Mike Goldberg who comes out with ridiculous bullshit every bloody show. I will admit that Mauro should have gotten more mike time and Karen Bryant is pretty awful.

Gus's dead eyes kind of creep me out though...

machsaku

12th October 2008, 08:48 AM

Gus's dead eyes kind of creep me out though...

It's kinda like he's reading his lines.

FieldingMellish

12th October 2008, 10:29 AM