FF12: Worst Scenario Possible(Yvel goes crazy)

[TheDude]

I promised to make a PvP from the event, but fuck the PvP. This is all that happened. Well, I have to start by saying the event was a disappointment. Jomhod did not fight at all(his opponent cancelled), Helin had a bad gameplan and Marila just plain bad luck.

But Yvel...Let me start by telling you that I was a big Yvel fan. I mean, I did not think that he was that dirty of a fighter. I was actually cheering for him in the fight.

Right from the start one could see something was not right. Maunu, the Referee and the promoter of Fight Festival, had trouble pushing Yvel to his corner in the start. Yvel just did not listen, and Maunu was really pushing his authority to the limit. Finally the fight started. Atte Backman(Yvels opponent) shot right in, and caught a knee to the head in the process. He was ok, and kept working from the open guard. Yvel got up with great ease, and Backman had a underclinch on him. They were falling out of the ring, so the referee called break to restart them. The mistake from the referee, in my opionion, was the fact that he was trying to restart them in the same position standing. I have never seen this before, and maybe Yvel had neither.

Yvel was very upset about the fact that they were going to restart it in the same position. Maybe because he wanted to bang with Backman. He was pushing Backman away when Maunu was putting them in the same position, and then he was pushing Maunu away. I think this went on over a minute. Then Maunu gave Yvel a serious warning, and almost yelled at him to listen to his commands. Yvel did not. The same business went on for some seconds before Maunu yelled again(I think Yvel lost a point) Then out of the blue, Yvel knocked Maunu out with a right, and went on to kick the downed referee. Maunu was down for a second and then stumbled up. The 2 meter security guards were already storming the ring, while Backman was anxious to get out of the ring. Yvel was just standing in his corner.

After Yvel had been escorted out of the ring, the Festival continued. Maunu had to leave to hospital, because he propably suffered a broken jaw. A few minutes after Yvel went to the lockerrooms, the police started to show up. First it was 3 police officers. 4 minutes later 5 more. A few minutes and 3 more cops. We counted that at least 12 police officers went to the lockerrooms. At the end of the show, a member of the organizing club came out of the lockerrooms, and I asked him what was going on. He told me that "the police was trying to maze Yvel out of the lockerrooms. They suspect he is high on something, because he is going crazy, and not responding."

The event was filmed. Pictures should be coming out soon, the video could take months.

[( o Y o )]

Oh damned....thats terrible. I mean, it sounds exciting in a puroresu way, but not at acceptable behaviour even if the ref was doing something outside of the rules ( with the restart ).

Yvel may have shot his comeback down here....few big promotors will want to deal with such drama which is ashame as he is exciting when with it. I hope he wasn`t high on something too....though that coupled with punching the ref should get him damned near barred for life.

Look forward to seeing any pix you manage to find, and thanks very much for the review!!

[Cleaner]

This is very, very, very unfortunate. I've not read anything in Swedish media about it, but Sunday just started. That it happens in a neighboring country will fuel the fire for Swedish media. They already oppose anything that has to do with knocking out people. K-1 couldn't get as big of an arena they wanted because of its "name" in Sweden. They don't bother to research much here, so something like this landing on their table is just further evidence to them they're right. They leave MMA out of the news as long as no scandal comes up. Now that it hits the fan, I just hope it won't reach them. K-1 gets in the media every year with the same headline "They beat each other unconscious ... LEGALLY!" so I can guess the headlines this incident causes. Very unfortunate. Hitting the referee in Scandinavia is definitely worse than in the US and Japan because of how it'll be put in media and be used by the politicians.

[El Presidente]

What was Yvel smoking???

[TheDude]

The restart was legit, because it is in the Fight Festival rules.

Shit, I still can´t believe it happened. I mean, the whole audience was so stunned. I first thought that this must be some stupid Japanease Pro-wrestling type of shit(because it was so unbelievable)...but when Maunu stumbled across the ring, I realized it wasn´t.

[El Presidente]

What were the other results?

[MZN]

I'm flabbergasted. I really wonder what the explanation from Yvel's side will be and this might mean the end of his career. What an arse!

I wonder what Simon Rutz is going to do with this. Yvel is scheduled to fight Valentijn Overeem in June.....

[TheDude]

Helin lost a 2-1 decision. He ate a few hard punches in the second, and got scared. Clinched for the 2. and 3. round, which was a bad move, since he could not score from the clinch. Samedov had nice kombos, lowkicks and highkicks, and deserved the victory, although a rematch would be interesting to see. Helin had a really good front-leg roundhouse kick, which really was causing Samedow problems. Unfortunately Helin was afraid to use it after he was tagged. On a positive note, Helins chin could take anything Samedow had to offer, and even after some high-kicks, Helin was in 100% condition.

Marila was stopped by a cut above his right eye. The first round went to Boreiko, who dominated with good hands. He got a few nice kombos in, and Marila was in trouble. In the second Marila clinched from the start, and scored nice straight knees to the body and head, and a few hard elbows. Then out of the blue, an elbow opened up the the cut, and the fight was stopped.

The K-1 action was disappointing. Reima was his usually slow and sluggish self, and was not doing much in the fights. Roman Suchoterin was early looking strong with legkicks and kombos, but Reima managed to raise the pace in the second, and do some damage. The fight was stopped in the beginning of the third because of an cut in Romans leg.

Anton Hardonk was throwing nice kombos and kicks against the swedish Abdouliie "Abbe" Joof, who like Reima was really passive. He kept catching Antons lowkicks, and everytime Anton just jumped on his ass. Abbe got a bit frusrated about this, and a few times threw a kick while Hardonk was falling. He was first warned and then a point was reduced. Hardonk was throwing a lot, and scoring especially with his good lowkicks. Abbe could not answer the bell in the third round, and so Hardonk moved against Reima in the finals.

In the Final, Hardonk was again throwing kombos and lowkicks that Reima could not answer. Reima was really getting outworked and outclassed, and when his leg got hurt so that the fight had to be stopped in the beginning of the second, the audience was...well disappointed in his performance.

The whole K-1 thing needs to stop. Now its just big guys with little skills throwing ridicilously sluggish kombos. On a world class, its entertaining, but on lower level it just looks like rubbish.


Toni Valtonen, known for his reckless "all-out" style was just getting started against Gela Getsadze of Belarus, when one of the punches caught Gela in the eye, and he was forced to give up.

Aleksandr Sukhonosov and Timo Suhonen battled to a draw in the fight of the night. A very exciting fight, with both action on their feet and on the ground. Sukhonosov was getting the better of the ground, but he was not doing much damage. On their feet the wild styles of the fighters promised a lot of good action and wild swining, and the audience was really loving it. Really intense fighting...really hard to go into detail since so much happened :)

Right from the bell the fight between Denis Timoschenko and Jani Ylikorpi hit the ground. Denis got into Janis half-guard, from where he was able to pass to mount. And after raining down some punches, Jani was forced to tap-out.

[-=[DM]=-]

as the attitude wasn't bad enough towards mma in scandinavia.. this will set back the scandinavian mma evolution by a decade...

[Shinobu]

Thanks xman for the rundown of the rest of the event.
All I have to say about Yvel is that he needs professional help.

[TheDude]

Here is a message from Yvels opponent, Atte Backman:
"The weigh-ins on Friday were going normally. I shook hands with Yvel and talked to him: How is it going, and its nice to fight against you. There weren´t any problems, and Yvel came over a few times to say I will see you tomorrow. I respect every fighter the same way. I tried to shake his hand before Maunu said fight(In the fight). He wasn´t interested. I took Yvel down right away, he was able to knee me in the forehead/nose, but I did not pass out. After that I was able to get the hooks, and I started to bend him. We were hanging from the ropes and Maunu said STOP. After that we were trying to get the same position, but Yvel did not listen. Punch, and Maunus jaw was broken. Someone said that I should come out of the ring, and I left. Then Yvel came to my corner to shake hands, and he said he hopes we can fight some other time."

Atte Backman also comments that as entrance music he has had Foo Fighters etc. and does not know who spreads these rumours about him.

[MZN]

Then he comments that as entrance music he has had Foo Fighters etc. and does not know who spreads these rumours about him.

Ehm, could you eh. I don't understand who is who and wants to tell me what :). Please clarify :p

[TheDude]

Did it help?

[( o Y o )]

Did it help?

A lot. You coverage is much appreciated.

That message from Atte Backman, while being respectful and tactfull.....does not make things look good for Yvel. After KO`ing a ref coming and saying he hopes they can fight again? I`d like to know what the man, or his team has to say about it, and the damage they have done to MMA in Europe.

[TheDude]

But it does hint that Yvel was high on something. If he goes from being a nice guy, to being a sick fuck in a day, everything is not right in Yvelville.

[( o Y o )]

But it does hint that Yvel was high on something. If he goes from being a nice guy, to being a sick fuck in a day, everything is not right in Yvelville.

Agreed completely. I mean, Randleman has often said he is a nice guy generally, but the #1 asshole in the world come fight day. He has repeatedly shown the ability to be rational and listen to the ref though. Yvel has taken things way further, and I for one wonder if that is possible "naturally"

[MZN]

But it does hint that Yvel was high on something. If he goes from being a nice guy, to being a sick fuck in a day, everything is not right in Yvelville.

aha I see what you mean.

[KicknPunch]

Oh man, thats really terrible for the sponsors, org involved, and sport in general. If he was taking drugs, he should be banned for life IMO ( though probably impossible due to differing orgs/countries ). If tests show he was clean....damned, I`m really not sure which is worse to be honest.

Thanks for the info so far man, and keep us informed of anything new please.

[TheDude]

Yeah, I will. Lets just keep this thread shit free....

[( o Y o )]

Yeah, I will. Lets just keep this thread shit free....

couldn`t agree more.

[( o Y o )]

front page can`t be good.

http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2004/11/15/TE/TE_2S_20041115_1/TE_2S_20041115_1.jpg

[Missy]

Bad press like this sets combat sports back years.

I can understand a fighter getting hyped BUT you have to have control.
If Yvel didn't understand the restart rule - that's his fault, because he should have done.
If he felt the ref was acting against him, take it out on the fighter or if you feel that strongly about it walk out the ring!
Not that he should get away with something like that I do want to know what his explanation is.

[TheDude]

The Press in Finland is handeling this well. They are not demonizing MMA just yet, but they are publishing just the facts etc. One of the biggest papers had pages 1 and 2 for this news with a big picture of Yvel beating Bob Schriber. Some of the facts are wrong(for example they are calling Yvel a "boxer"), but nothing big. This is really good, since newspapers have too much power in Finland. They can affect the public opinion in great deal, and even campaign to outlaw a sport. If they take something in their teeths(politicians, sports etc.), they will tear it apart. Luckily this has not happened yet.

Maunu went through surgery, his jaw was broken from 2 different places, and some of his teeth were damaged. He does not know what went into Yvel, he suspects "mental problems." He does not remember the KO, but remembers the restart. The fighters were falling over the top ropes(It actually looked like Yvel was trying to get over the rope to me), and he felt he had to stop it since these are big fighters who could get injured falling out of the ring like that. Yvel would not respond to his commands, but kept pushing him(the referee) away, and then Maunu had to warn Yvel. Then Yvel threw a punch...

The Video is now evidence, but hopefully when they get it back, we will see it. Someone had illegally taped the event, and was going to publish the fight UNTIL the stoppage(he did not keep recording during the punch), but after some comments from the person owning the video rights, he decided not to publish the illegal tape.

To me, it looked just like the Frye fight, especially the restart. Exactly in the same way Yvel kept pushing the referee away, and saying to his opponent: No, lets fight this way. Come on...lets just fight.

[KicknPunch]

surgery and a broekn jaw for the ref means serious problems coming around the corner for Yvel. Legal action could no doubt be taken against him for assult.

[TheDude]

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hwi/Lehtileike.jpg

This is from one of the biggest papers in Finland. I wont translate it, because there isnt new info, but again, good publicity. Very objectiv information about the sport and about what happened. The picture looks scary... Yvel is like a fucking obsessed by demons or something.

[MZN]

well Boobs,

De telegraaf is not the most objective newspaper around. They are not a tabloid but they do like to look for sensation.

[MZN]

I made a thread of this on sherdog:

There has been a load of talk wether Yvel should be banned or not. Yvel is on the card for the " It's showtime" event that will happen in June 2005. The promotor Simon Rutz is so kind to awnser questions in the guestbook of his website and I posed the question that keeps everyone busy: Will someone do something about it?

His awnser was short and clear:

Gilbert Yvel will fight in the ArenA! (the place where "It's Showtime 2005" will take place) I kan make a long monologue of what I think is bad or good bad the conclusion is that Gilbert will fight.

Yours sincerely,
Simon Rutz

[( o Y o )]

Thanks for the updates guys.

Not sure how I fell about him fighting in Its Showtime unless he gets at least some sort of punishment for his recent actions. Financial or legal action......

[Missy]

In pure money terms having Yvel on his card makes sense, bad press is the only thing that now sells tickets for Tyson.
If he wanted to make a stand he could drop him from the card and Yvel where it will really hurt. In the wallet.

As fans of the sport what would you do? not go to the fight? Complain to Mr. Rutz, boo the hell out of Yvel when he comes to the ring?

[MZN]

In pure money terms having Yvel on his card makes sense, bad press is the only thing that now sells tickets for Tyson.
If he wanted to make a stand he could drop him from the card and Yvel where it will really hurt. In the wallet.

As fans of the sport what would you do? not go to the fight? Complain to Mr. Rutz, boo the hell out of Yvel when he comes to the ring?

To be honest, I'd still like to see Gilbert fight. The way he defeated Cheik Kongo, who was unstoppable at that time, showed great heart from his side.

Appart from that, I also want someone to sanction him in some way.

[-=[DM]=-]

Bad decision by the management of "It's Showtime", Yvel's assault on the referee was nothing short of a crime, and he shouldn't be allowed to fight again until he he has faced legal or financial punishment.

I understand that keeping Yvel on the card is smart from a financial perspective, but it really hurts the credibility of "It's Showtime" to keep him on the card after his latest adventure

[TheDude]

Some news regarding the incident. The police is investigating it as assault AND aggravated assault. They have also released some of Yvels comments from the police questioning. He said that he did not know why he reacted so violently, but he felt that the referee was being biased. The blood tests have not yet come back, so the police cannot excluded drugs, it will take a few weeks. The video is still evidence.

[TheDude]

Yvel still being on the card is gross. I mean, the video has to be released so people will understand how unjustified his actions were. And although I agree its sad to see such a talented fighter disapper, I cannot accept wishes to see Yvel in the ring again.

[TrojanStud]

Gilbert Yvel should not fight again. The reason being is he is a danger to the non-fighting parties in and maybe around the ring. He lacks sportsmanship and fails to conduct himself with dignity and respect for the environment. He is not emotionally mature to:

* realize this is business and conduct himself professionally
* understand the referee is in charge and obey his commands, not argue them or complain (he can file a protest after the fight)
* control his temper tantrums

His team should be ashamed of his actions and get him some psychological help instead of more training and fights. There are several cases, of which one recently on Iceland, where an individual has died from a single blow to the head. A number of factors come into play:

* the stricken guy is not prepared for the punch
* the stricken guy is not trained to take punches

Even if the rare cases are where they die from the punch, there are other "less" problems that can easily come up:

* wired jaw and bone-structural damage that requires (plastic) surgery
* whiplash that gives lifelong problems and affects your social and professional life
* brain hemhorrage that can be lethal (a lot of people are born with a susceptibility for this)

What does is take before somebody realizes how serious this incident was? Phil Baroni struck a few light punches from the ground at a referee. That can not
even begin to compare against what happened in Finland. The situations are as different as your local soccer team and Manchester United. They both play soccer, but that's where the comparison ends. It is wrong to let Gilbert Yvel participate in a professional fight again. It is horrible that a promotor "awards" him with fights on his event after the fact. Gilbert Yvel's action does not belong in the ring and in a professional fight. It belongs in a run-down bar somewhere out in the middle of nowhere.

[Kakutougi]

I do understand that, from a financial point of view.....IS will do well with Yvel there. It doesn`t make it the right thing to do though.

Personally, I find a fighter breaking a refs jaw far worse than a boxer biting his opponents ear.

[El Presidente]

To be honest, I'd still like to see Gilbert fight. The way he defeated Cheik Kongo, who was unstoppable at that time, showed great heart from his side.

Appart from that, I also want someone to sanction him in some way.

I dont think any past wins over opponents who were unstoppable at the time, or how much heart he showed doing it excuses him for his actions - or should solicit any kind of sympathy.

He shoul never fight again. Simple as that. If this sport is his full time job then he should be FIRED. Calling him a "Professional Fighter" at this point is a bit of a joke. His actions have put him on the level of a thug.

[TheDude]

The video is available...which you all already know, I´m sure.

http://mbnet.fi/r-k/yvel_ref.wmv

[( o Y o )]

downloading now...