Dream.6 Results and discussion

[loreia]

12. MW GP Finals
Gegard Mousasi vs. Ronaldo Jacare
Mousasi, TKO (Upkick), R1

11.
Mirko Cro Cop vs. Alistair Overeem
No contest

10.
Shinya Aoki vs. Todd Moore
Aoki, Traingle, R1

9.
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Masanori Tonooka
Akiyama, Armbar, R1

8.
Hayato “Mach” Sakurai vs. Kuniyoshi Hironaka
Sakurai, 3:0

7.
Minowaman vs. Masakatsu Funaki
Funaki, Kneebar, R1

6.
Hideo Tokoro vs. Atsushi Yamamoto
Yamamoto, 3-0

5.
Sergey Kharitonov vs. Jimmy Ambriz
Kharitonov, TKO, R1

4.
Ktaro Nakamura vs. Adriano Martins
Nakamura, 2-1

3.
Ronaldo Jacare vs. Zelg “Benkei” Galešić (MW GP)
Jacare, Armbar, R1

2.
Gegard Mousasi vs. Melvin Manhoef (MW GP)
Mousasi, Traingle, R1

1.
Yoon Dong Sik vs. Andrews Nakahara
Nakahara, TKO, R2

[loreia]

Croatian forums are all down, to many users online I guess.

We only saw Mirko's fight, and I must say Alistair TOTALY dominated until that low blow that ended the fight. Mirko is done :-(
Even the most persistent doubters/nutthuggers must admit it now.

Good, intelligent fight by Alistair.

[MZN]

Very nice tournament win by Mousasi but it did look like he was going to be in heaps of trouble at the beginning of his fight with Jacare..

Too bad the Alistair Mirko fight had to end like that. The second knee by Alistair looked a bit stupid to throw though, but that's after the event and from a totally different view. After that first knee I must admit that Mirko looked old and fragile.

[machsaku]

wow. mousasi via up kick. i cant wait to watch this tonight. couldnt stay up last night.

[bbbmarc]

somebody said: saved by the balls... but before alistair kicked him there, there weren't any balls or anything from mirke in this fight... i really can't even predict what is next step in his career...

mousasi won at the gp, and i must say he deserved it all the way, jacare is great, but little bit of one dimensional fighter

nakamura vs martins was good fight to watch, and aoki's finishing too

[miscmisc]

What a clusterfuck of an MMA event. I feel very sorry for the DREAM staff. I think they did their job (TBS is still a joke, though), and sometimes you are simply unlucky. The Japanese broadcast ended up looking like a total farce. It ended up showing the full Tokoro fight, and he lost it. Minowaman vs. Funaki went horribly wrong with Minowa being an utter idiot (absolute WTF for the average viewer). Jimmy fucking Ambriz, who made MMA look like a bad joke. The way Mousasi KTFO Jacare, which was great on so many different levels but let's face it, it was a lucky shot, a great one at that, and again, absolute WTF for the average viewer. Don't even talk about Mirko vs. Alistair, and instead talk about anti-climactic, and it was the last bout of the TBS broadcast. Yes, it ended with Shimada saying, it's No Contest, we're sorry. What a downer.

And I hear that Badr Hari pretty much talked shit about MMA in the ring and effectively called all the MMA fighters no-skill pussies who like hugging and kissing each other. Jeez, thanks, champ.

This show might have just killed Japanese MMA, or at least seriously injured it.

All I can do is pray to God, which I don't even believe in, that the ratings won't be too embarrassing.

[machsaku]

^ fuck..... that bad eh?

[Dado]

And I hear that Badr Hari pretty much talked shit about MMA in the ring and effectively called all the MMA fighters no-skill pussies who like hugging and kissing each other. Jeez, thanks, champ.

When did he say this? Saw the fights but didnt catch it.

[Kamatari]

When did he say this? Saw the fights but didnt catch it.
After the Mirko/Overeem fight, I'm paraphrasing now but I believe he said something like "if you're looking for great fights and KOs you're not at the right address" - something like that anyway. Then he went on some more. Made it all seem worse than it already was.

[Kamatari]

Aoki pretty much called out Akiyama and Akiyama in turn issued a bit of a challenge to Hidehiko Yoshida. Someone told me that they hinted at the end of Eddie Alvarez's run in DREAM on the HDNet broadcast what with him potentially signing a long-term contract with EliteXC.

Tokoro vs. Yamamoto was the best fight on the show. Atsushi's stand up looked good and he was flashing that jab brilliantly. Tokoro did catch him in an armbar towards the end of the last round. Mach looked uninspired until the final seconds of the fight when he dropped Hironaka and gave him a bit of his own medicine with a dodgy looking stomp. I enjoyed it though, but Mach was pretty lazy and never really needed to kick it into second gear.

[Lord Gaul]

To bad dream had a bad night. Nothing that I wanted to happen happened. I don't even think I will look for the card now that I read these post.

[miscmisc]

^ fuck..... that bad eh?

I don't know, I may be overdramatizing it, but the TV show basically started decent, got slowly but steadily ridiculous around the middle, finished WTF and ran away into the sunset of horribleness. That's what makes it a clusterfuck of an event. Maybe the people who were actually there got a different impression. But as a TV show, it oink-oink-ed.

But you should watch the fights anyway. Many of them were actually not so bad. It's just that it failed as a show.

The camera showed the faces of the likes of Fedor, Hari and JLB many times, and the fact that they looked bored didn't help it, either.

[loreia]

Mirkos's sattement after the fight.

"Alistair had the advantage, he was trying to avoid fighting from distance and was trying to fight from the clinch. But it was a 15 minute fight and I believe I would have gotten my chance.

I am angry it ended like this, I looked like he was dominating, but I wasn't dizzy at all and I was waiting for my chance. I was very well prepared because I knew it could have gone the distance, and I believed I could have brought him down (this phrase could mean "knock him out", or "take him down", Mirko probably wanted to say "KO him" -- loreia)"

Mirko's manager Zvonimir Lucic said that Mirko wanted to continue, but doctor decided otherwise: "Mirko has a scratch on his head, but besides that he is OK, if necessary he could fight again tomorrow. I don't know when the rematch will take place, but we want it as soon as possible."

[loreia]

^^
These guys are delusional...

[miscmisc]

And let's not forget that they were banking on this show. It's their last show of this year under TBS.

[miscmisc]

^^
These guys are delusional...

But that's really the only thing they can say, I guess. They know it was an embarrassing performance, and so do we.

Damn, I thought there was too much physical space inside the cage for him at the UFC, and now I think there's too little physical space inside the ring for him in Japan. Where could he fight now? Does anybody make a pentagon cage? Hexagon?

Fedor had a neutral smile on his face, but I bet he was actually a bit shocked.

[Newman]

After the Mirko/Overeem fight, I'm paraphrasing now but I believe he said something like "if you're looking for great fights and KOs you're not at the right address" - something like that anyway. Then he went on some more. Made it all seem worse than it already was.

Yeah, I thought I heard someone say that on the stream and found it weird!

[sparkles]

I checked out the Crocop fight and the Manhoef one and as usually I get frustrated watching these stand up fighters in mma as they always tend to lose by silly submissions. Crocop looked already old in his walk and Alistar seemed to have so much more energy. Crocop looked like a mummy in there. Given the history of Crocop ( if it doesn't go his way from the beginning, he loses) I doubt he would have taken this one after all the shots he took.

[miscmisc]

After the Mirko/Overeem fight, I'm paraphrasing now but I believe he said something like "if you're looking for great fights and KOs you're not at the right address" - something like that anyway. Then he went on some more. Made it all seem worse than it already was.

http://www.dreamofficial.com/free/fightcard/detail.php?fightid=20080923&cardid=1222174493

"I was invited here to watch great KO's and great fights. But all I have seen today is guys hugging and kissing each other. If you want to watch real battles, real KO's, real fights, you are probably at the wrong place. I'm going to tell you the right address. I'm going to tell all the fighters here where it is, too. Alistair, Mirko, all of them. That's K-1! Where I'm the rule! I challenge you! Any fighter who wants to have real fights, who thinks what they are doing is a real fight, I'll see you at K-1 Dynamite!! I'll teach you in K-1, in the standup art, why this is not real!"

Sounds kind of weak in print, to be honest. Not nearly as offensive as I imagined. A tiny bit corporate-shill-like, too. I don't know how he said it, but if those exclamation points mean he actually shouted, that's not cool of him. Exclamation marks look good with him only when he breaks stuff back in the locker room. He shouldn't raise his voice in public otherwise. Sounds cheap for a prince.

[timmothy84]

Man poor cro cop. He looks old, and broken. He still one of my favorite fighters though. I hope to see him come back and do better in his next match if he even has one. Fedor didn't look impress at all did he.

[Kamatari]

http://www.dreamofficial.com/free/fightcard/detail.php?fightid=20080923&cardid=1222174493

"I was invited here to watch great KO's and great fights. But all I have seen today is guys hugging and kissing each other. If you want to watch real battles, real KO's, real fights, you are probably at the wrong place. I'm going to tell you the right address. I'm going to tell all the fighters here where it is, too. Alistair, Mirko, all of them. That's K-1! Where I'm the rule! I challenge you! Any fighter who wants to have real fights, who thinks what they are doing is a real fight, I'll see you at K-1 Dynamite!! I'll teach you in K-1, in the standup art, why this is not real!"

Sounds kind of weak in print, to be honest. Not nearly as offensive as I imagined. A tiny bit corporate-shill-like, too. I don't know how he said it, but if those exclamation points mean he actually shouted, that's not cool of him. Exclamation marks look good with him only when he breaks stuff back in the locker room. He shouldn't raise his voice in public otherwise. Sounds cheap for a prince.
You really should watch it yourself though, it came across very strange to the audience because they didn't know how to react and neither did I quite frankly. He just ran down the event so I don't really know how much more offensive you want it to be. :-D

[chorb]

Fedor didn't look impress at all did he.

the camera caught a couple of smirks from him too.

[K1power]

Wow. Looks like Dream was more like a Nightmare, lol.

Mirko losing again, no big surprise. He's nothing now.

[chorb]

the kharitonov ambriz fight was painful to watch... ambriz looked like a keg with legs wobbling around in there throwing arms anda leg or two haphazardly about.

[mdhan]

I really enjoyed the fights. I thought it was a great event but too bad the TBS broadcast was lousily edited.

I'm really happy for Mousasi for winning the tournament. The upkick KO was a little bit anticlimactic, but a great (and legit) win nonetheless. I've been impressed with him ever since he fought Gono (which I think he would've won if it weren't for the "timeout".) I hope to see him fight again this year.

Nice one-sided beating by Kharitonov, although it was expected against a lesser fighter who accepted the fight on VERY short notice. But what's happening to Sergei these days??? Maybe he didn't think too highly of Mo as an MMA fighter, but he's getting more and more out of shape, and he's only 28 years old. I really hope he doesn't pull a Ricco Rodriguez.

Andrews Nakahara was a pleasant surprise. Maybe it's just me, but I expected an easy win for Yoon. But Nakahara's takedown defense looked very good as was his ability to stand back up. And he looked pretty comfortable throwing punches too.

My thoughts on the Crocop-Overeem fight is pretty much what everyone thinks. It was painful to watch him crumble like that, but big props to Alistair for a good gameplan and excellent execution.

Atsushi Yamamoto looked great. It'd be fun if Kid tells Faber to fight Atsushi first like Faber told Kid to fight Benavidez before fighting himself.

All in all, a great event and I hope this isn't the last we'll see of DREAM...

[tinobar]

What a clusterfuck of an MMA event. I feel very sorry for the DREAM staff. I think they did their job (TBS is still a joke, though), and sometimes you are simply unlucky. The Japanese broadcast ended up looking like a total farce. It ended up showing the full Tokoro fight, and he lost it. Minowaman vs. Funaki went horribly wrong with Minowa being an utter idiot (absolute WTF for the average viewer). Jimmy fucking Ambriz, who made MMA look like a bad joke. The way Mousasi KTFO Jacare, which was great on so many different levels but let's face it, it was a lucky shot, a great one at that, and again, absolute WTF for the average viewer. Don't even talk about Mirko vs. Alistair, and instead talk about anti-climactic, and it was the last bout of the TBS broadcast. Yes, it ended with Shimada saying, it's No Contest, we're sorry. What a downer.

And I hear that Badr Hari pretty much talked shit about MMA in the ring and effectively called all the MMA fighters no-skill pussies who like hugging and kissing each other. Jeez, thanks, champ.

This show might have just killed Japanese MMA, or at least seriously injured it.

All I can do is pray to God, which I don't even believe in, that the ratings won't be too embarrassing.
the tokoro fight was the best fight(i most of time it is) and Atsushi might get a some pop from it
are you saying they should not off shown it or something?

[miscmisc]

9.0%

Not as embarrassing as I thought it could be, but bad nonetheless. Especially given that it was aired in the 21:00- time slot unlike DREAM1 (19:00-), which got 8.9%. DREAM5 got 10.0% in the same time slot.

We avoided a total catastrophe, but this kind of ratings give TBS very little incentive to seriously invest in the show. It was pwned by almost all the other major stations in the same time slot.

Akiyama got the highest rating, but it's a bit of cheating as his fight was aired in transitional commercial time when people channel-surf to see what's on on the other channels. But clearly, Akiyama->Minowaman vs. Funaki->quick Aoki finish against a no-namer->Jimmy fucking Ambriz (the announcer and commentators were laughing all the time during that fight)->GP Final->Nutkick Fiasco was really a vicious downward spiral. It gave the viewers no reason to stay on the channel.

[miscmisc]

the tokoro fight was the best fight(i most of time it is) and Atsushi might get a some pop from it
are you saying they should not off shown it or something?

No, I'm just saying it effectively killed all the Tokoro vs. Kid talk.

[Kenshin]

The event wasn't that bad. Some good fights i've seen. I think you overreact a bit miscmisc but i also don't know anything about the TBS Version, the ratings or the whole situation for MMA in Japan.

And why the up kick KO was that bad? It was truly shocking, a "wtf-moment" in the first place and a "ohh-ahhhh-moment" in the replay ;) And look how rare those KO's are, i would say this was more interesting to a "average viewer" or newbie or whatever then another armbar or triangle choke submission.

Bas Rutten is such a bad commentator. He isn't serious for the most time, he's singing around, making bad jokes, scary noises etc. most of the time. That's really a atmosphere killer! I mean, if i want to see comedy, i watch any comedy shit but not MMA. I can't understand this..

No comment to Badr Hari expect that i hope Choi KTFO him 100 times heavyer then Graham did before.

Mirko really looked horrible, that wasn't good to see. Hope the rematch will happen though, that's unfinished buisness.

Mousasi is a very good fighter, a deserved title win.

[K-1 Extremist]

Mirko really looked horrible, that wasn't good to see. Hope the rematch will happen though, that's unfinished buisness.



Yeah, Mirko is still alive. Let's let Alistair kill him to finish it, because short of doing so he totally destroyed Mirko.

[Mia Wallace]

Mousasi will lose that rematch.

[Kenshin]

Yeah, Mirko is still alive. Let's let Alistair kill him to finish it, because short of doing so he totally destroyed Mirko.

Alistair dominated the fight until its end, without a doubt but it wasn't THAT much of a beating actually. He more was dominating because he controlled the fight very well with takedowns and clinching. In the beginning of the fight he did well with taking Mirko down, then he tryed to ground and pound him but it's not that Mirko was in heavy trouble. Then at some early point of the fight Mirko became a cut and a lot of blood appeared. But i think it wasn't such a big cut and i doubt it came from a HEAVY strike, it was more bad luck of Cro Cop. Well, then Alistair did well with clinching and kneeing, at least he had some good knees in the target but unfortunaly for both he connected 2-3 times to low with that knees ( Cro Cop complained already before the ref stepped in). Take away the cut and the fact that Cro Cop couldn't stand up for minutes because of ILLEGAL blows, he didn't really took a beating, he just was controlled. He still had enough chances to come back in that fight.

[miscmisc]

And why the up kick KO was that bad?

Because Jacare had been pwning Mousasi until that point, and because an up kick doesn't look legit to the average viewer. I know you are not much of an MMA fan, but you can still appreciate that because you actually have some knowledge on MMA. You know it's a rare KO, but a legit one, and can almost scientifically explain how it happened. But no matter how you try to slice it, they wouldn't think that it was a good technique executed well. They just think that Mousasi got incredibly lucky throwing those desperate kicks from the bottom. That's what I heard from a few non-MMA fans I know, and although they did enjoy the way Jacare collapsed, they weren't impressed with MMA as a whole.

And what we need now is not those momentary WTF's and HAHAHA's. We need MMA that is truly exciting on its own, and from that point of view, the show got worse and worse toward the end, and simply failed.

Now I actually don't think I was overreacting even a bit, because the reaction I heard from random people after the broadcast kind of confirmed that. Sasahara was clearly not happy either.

But of course, the final was nothing compared to the way Mirko vs. Alistair ended. That was just disastrous.

[Kenshin]

I know you are not much of an MMA fan

Hey that's not the real truth ;) A lot of the members here are VERY knowledgeable, i'm not honestly and i don't know all the fighters because i actually just watch the big shows but i'm still a fan.

We need MMA that is truly exciting on its own

But wasn't the up kick excatly that? I mean, a punch you can see in boxing as well, a kick in K-1 and a submission in grappling. But where you can see a up kick KO expect for MMA? ;) What i also liked about the KO is that it clearly showed that one moment of careless in MMA and one mistake can be already the end, from every situation. But i guess that's a matter of taste how you judge it.

Now I actually don't think I was overreacting even a bit, because the reaction I heard from random people after the broadcast kind of confirmed that.

About the whole event? Well, i think there are 2 different point of views here (which exclude the point of view of an average viewer, non-MMA fan). The first is the view of an real fan, like we all are. And with that point of view i have to say that it was a good event, not a unbelievable cracker event but a good one. Good fights, good show. The second point of view is more the "producer view" then the fan's one. And even though i understand how important it is that MMA and DREAM becomes bigger in Japan i don't understand 100% why you just look on the buisness part of the event rather then on the actual fights etc.

But then again, i didn't saw the TBS edited version like you probably did and those TBS guys also pissed me off several times already with there shameless edit on numerous MAX events. :wtf:

All i want to say is that from a fan's point of view the event wasn't that bad imo.

[Kamatari]

And even though i understand how important it is that MMA and DREAM becomes bigger in Japan i don't understand 100% why you just look on the buisness part of the event rather then on the actual fights etc.
Because they go hand in hand, it's just how the "business" works in Japan. You need ratings to survive and the event turned out to be a giant clusterfuck towards the end and that's how it came across on the TV broadcast. Most knowledgeable Japanese fans are cynical and I can't even say they're not like that for a reason. People tend to overestimate how much of a pure sports appeal these events actually have.

[Kamatari]

It's hard to get overly excited when gloomy scenarios are clouding over the events that you're watching. And even with that in mind it was no DREAM.3 or 5. While I'm certain there'll be something to replace DREAM if it goes that far it kind of makes things rather complicated. Looking back HERO'S wasn't that bad now was it? :-)

[Dado]

Mirko vs Alistair was a BIG anti climax. It tainted the overall enjoyment of the show for me.

[miscmisc]

Hey that's not the real truth ;) A lot of the members here are VERY knowledgeable, i'm not honestly and i don't know all the fighters because i actually just watch the big shows but i'm still a fan.


I thought you said before you were more of a K-1 fan. That's what I meant. Sorry if I was mistaken.

But wasn't the up kick excatly that?

All I'm saying is the way it ended was totally anti-climactic for the average viewer, and Mousasi's facial expression after the KO (or lack thereof) didn't help the matter at all. Hell, he even looked surprised himself, regardless of what he was actually thinking. I don't even think I have to explain why it was anti-climactic. It should be obvious.

i don't understand 100% why you just look on the buisness part of the event rather then on the actual fights etc.

Because the business side is important. It's not like everybody is talking about this event from that point of view only. As far as I can see, I'm only one of the few. If it was actually an excellent show and the ratings was still disastrous, I'd focus on how good it was and how moronic the Japanese mass are. But in this case, I couldn't, because it was a bad TV show, and that's the last thing we need in Japan right now. If I were a non-MMA fan, I'd have scratched my head when Shimada announced NC and the show ended right there, quietly suspecting that MMA just never delivers.

[tinobar]

hehe i think miscmic underestimated on the businesss side when he said "we" (maybe he is a dse:evil: he would not have giving hero's that much slack)avoided total catastrophe.

hero's did single digits but a few times on prime time slots one being the show were tanigawa matched tokoro with the karate fighter and maybe the show when tokoro end up fighting kazo as a late replacement and i cant recall the other time maybe more than one but still that is 2 out of 3 for dream.

also it appears that they are putting much more money on the dream shows at the very least they are having more dream shows than they did hero's and not smaller shows like the ones in lithuania or even the korea shows,no like regular major ass shows that weren't even on prime time slots.

its like say you dump this girl cause you got chance to hook up with this girl that you thought was hotter and you take her out to nicer places and treater her better and then she dont give it up at least your old chick put out.

akiyama still your biggest draw and tokoro still consistently putting on your best fight and uno still given you the most memorable moments and they were given you slightly better numbers for less i cant see hero's lw finals which drew a 12.5% costing more to produce than dream 6 with its 9%

its embarrassing no?

[EckY]

What is the deal with NYE?

Obviously Dynamite!! will go down as usual but I have heard they may be doing a Yarennoka 2 aswell, anyone know more about that?

[Shooto Panama]

Whoever came up with the idea to let Hari talk needs to be shot backstage.


I mean, what sense make to let the champion from another company and different combat sport to trash talk the fighters and sport that you are trying to promote when everybody belongs to the same company?

[Bangalter]

Whoever came up with the idea to let Hari talk needs to be shot backstage.


I mean, what sense make to let the champion from another company and different combat sport to trash talk the fighters and sport that you are trying to promote when everybody belongs to the same company?

So TRUE! It's shocking.

But Hari is quite a cocky guy what I understand, maybe I took some "liberties" in his speech? :)

[Kenshin]

Miscmisc,

could it not be that it's more the current situation in Japan for MMA and especially DREAM then the actual event, DREAM 6, that you are beeing so pissed off?

Like i said, i didn't noticed that the event was THAT bad, also from a buisness point of view (even though i didn't saw the TBS version). Of course, the ending of Cro Cop/Overeem was totally dissapointing and a downer. However, im actually used to those kind of downers. I have a hard time remembering events, held recently, without at least one of such anticlimactic circumstances. I could list numerous of those: The NC at Calvan/Aoki, Alvarez who had to drop out of the LW GP due an injury, the whole K-1 WGP tournament at Hawaii, the eye poke KO of this one UFC fighter, Starnes marathon, the contention about the Jackson/Griffin decision and so on.

And if you are saying the KO of Mousasi against Jacare was that bad, what was the KO of Hansen against Aoki then? It was nearly as fast and unexpected as the up kick KO from Mousasi. Plus it was against the Japanese homeboy, the favourite of the fans and average viewers.

I guess it's more the current situation for MMA and DREAM that made you calling this event such a clusterfuck. You wanted a cracker event, which it wasn't. Now you overreacted, and probably did right doing so, because DREAM just needed a cracker event to survive. Am i right somehow?

[machsaku]

when you say "cracker event" do you mean like a blockbuster, totally bad ass event? or somthing else? just curious.....

[Kenshin]

Yes.. is that wrong english?

Cracker= Something bombastic, not?

[Tommy_Arashikage]

That's more of a "British" English saying so some may not recognize it.

[miscmisc]

could it not be that it's more the current situation in Japan for MMA and especially DREAM then the actual event, DREAM 6, that you are beeing so pissed off?

I'm not "pissed off" by anything. Don't be fooled by the tone of some of my posts. I sometimes just do that to draw attention like a cheap whore. And my answer to your question is, YES, though I def don't think DREAM 6 was a good event by their standards.

And if you are saying the KO of Mousasi against Jacare was that bad, what was the KO of Hansen against Aoki then?

TKO that was considered by most to be a legit one with full intention to end the fight, unlike the Mousasi one. This is the last time I say this; an up kick does not look like a legit offense, even to the casual "fans." It actually only does to the people who know some MMA.

And in case you think I'm trying to discredit Mousasi's win, I'm not.

because DREAM just needed a cracker event to survive. Am i right somehow?

Yes and no. Yes, in that they were all counting on this event, performance-wise. No, in that DREAM 6 was simply bad, in that the biggest fight of the event ended up in a pile of shit.

[miscmisc]

Whoever came up with the idea to let Hari talk needs to be shot backstage.


I mean, what sense make to let the champion from another company and different combat sport to trash talk the fighters and sport that you are trying to promote when everybody belongs to the same company?

I followed Kamatari's advice and asked some people who went to the show, and they all said it was pretty awkward, especially since some people in the audience actually cheered.

I don't know, it's either Tanikawa is absolutely evil, Ishii pulled a few strings to deliberately embarrass them, it's a conspiracy by Fuji TV, or they were way too confused to see what could happen. I'm leaning toward the last theory personally.

[miscmisc]

its embarrassing no?

All I can say is, you really need to get over the old politics.

[machsaku]

Yes.. is that wrong english?

Cracker= Something bombastic, not?

your good man, just wondering... making sure.

[Kenshin]

Hehe miscmisc, we never will have the same opinion about that up kick KO :laugh: Let's just hope something like this never happens again :)

About Hari's "meaningful" speech: So they cutted it out from the TBS broadcast? No suprise actually, how stupid would it be to show that crap. On the HDNET broadcast it was more then confusing, they didn't cutted it out actually but you couldn't see Hari one millisecond. They showed some "fighter skills scale" or how i should call it, like from a video game (takedown defense= 5 , striking = 4 and so on). You just could slightly hear a offensive voice and the commentators totally ignored it as well. I was like "who talks there, what is it" ? Then i came here and saw WHO IT WAS and WHAT HE SAID :no:

At least it seems he didn't got that much attention like he wanted.

I personally guess that he just entered the ring on his own purpose and the translator girl just didn't mind to translate his crap. What should we expect then? The whole referee crew storms the ring and takes him down, comparable to when they had to stop Monthana Silva killing Musashi?