Mo vs. Remy superfight now officially confirmed

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Bonjasky Faces Mighty Mo in Las Vegas K-1 Superfight (http://kakutougi.info/content/view/105/2/)

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Poor Mo, he must be overconfident again or be offered a huge amount of money.
He was just KTFO by Koaklai and now he faces Bonjaski, the most dangerous leg-knee user in K-1. If he dances around the way he has been doing in his K-1 carreer so far (with his hands at the height of his middle) he will get KTFO again...
Remy has to watch out for that lightning right straight through the defense...
" 1 hit might be it"

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Well, while Remy is by far the favourite he hasn`t faced someone with real heavy hands in a long time.

Last decent puncher he fought that I recall was Filho. Prior to that, Mirko?

[El Presidente]

Well, while Remy is by far the favourite he hasn`t faced someone with real heavy hands in a long time.

Last decent puncher he fought that I recall was Filho. Prior to that, Mirko?

What about Botha

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What about Botha

More technique than "power" IMO, but even that said remy was losing until the final 10 seconds.

BTW, your email will be returned shortly ;-)

[technocrat]

I think this fight will look a bit like the Wallis-Mo fight. Only with Remy being faster than Wallis and Mo having some more kickboxing experience.
Wallis was annoying Mo with lo-kicks and winning on points till Mo Ko'd him. Only question will be if Mo can connect this time.

[Titan]

Remy is far more experienced and skilled as a fighter than Wallis. Remy uses the ring a lot more and is lighter on his feet. He puts his techniques together more fluently and mixes it up well. He's able to KO with several weapons, and much more explosive than Wallis.

Mo has only had a puncher's chance in every of his fight. Sure, he can check a low-kick and he can throw a low-kick, but his rise or fall of each fight is that big overhand right. I think the odds of him landing his punch in the fight against Remy is almost non-existant, especially as he's worn down the further the fight goes. But ... it's the puncher's change, so who knows.

[MZN]

On Wallis: He lost with a doctors stoppage to Bjorn Breggy in a local event in Holland... (Brecht had some nasty cuts as witnesses stated)

I also think Remy is a far better fighter than Wallis and Remy is off course far better with his knees which comes in handy with an opponent like Mo :)

[bbbmarc]

finally a super-fight with a real meaning of these 2 words; super & fight, i'm really looking forward to this years see las vegas touranment

[Toffa]

Remy recieved a gift over Botha, and has not beaten the guys he needed to, to become a legit GP champion (imo anyway). I want to see him get KOed, and Mo is as good an option as any.

[Titan]

Remy recieved a gift over Botha
Botha made a mistake and Remy capitalized on it. A good fighter does that. Look at the recent Sudo vs Hansen fight. Happened there, too.

There were, however, gifts handed out that K-1 event in terms of judge's decisions. Things the fighters had nothing to do about. Remy, Ray, and so forth definitely got nothing for free. Remy fought how many rounds?

[Toffa]

Yes, Botha got knocked down I'm not denying that. However, Botha clearly won the first two rounds so i fail to understand how Bonjasky could walk out the winner doing nothing other than 2-3 good leg kicks and that high kick 10seconds from the end, even with the lack of a yellow card for excessive knees.

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Botha`s score in that fight was a joke, and an extra round is an easy argument to make for it, but considering in K-1 unless there is a knockdown, or an absolute out and out beating handed out they ALWAYS score the first round even, or near even, then give the second 10-9 to Botha and the final 8-10 to Remy and they could "fairly" say Remy won.

The fact one of the score cards had Botha at something like 25.5 was complete and utter bullshit though.

But, thats not dealing wit Mo at all. lol

[Titan]

Yep, the 10-8 scoring happens (a lot).

[Titan]

And for the record, 25.5 is a joke but scoring overall that night was just ridiculous. Back to the point, with the knockdown, I'm not considering that win a gift. Had he won without the knockdown, it'd been bullshit. Musashi beating Sefo was BS. Musashi beating Kaoklai was BS. Remy going all 100 rounds was BS. But I think we've talked about this in another thread somewhere on the forum.

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One final thought on Botha....

While it was a very good fight that could have gone either way, to give remy a bit of credit lets put it into perspective.

Botha had spent 30 seconds in the ring, was fresh and damage free. Remy went four though rounds with he what most call the best K-1 fighter ever, Hoost. The injury in the pic beow was sustained in the hoost fight, prior to stepping in against Botha. I guess close fight to really make the appropriate comparison between Botha and Remy was their first fought in Nagoya last summer where they were both fresh.

http://kakutougi.info/images/gallery/P1080355g_617422.jpg

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Wallis his left eye was blinded by the way in the Mo fight and thats probably why he ran into that right. Blood was all over his face.

[sparkles]

Bonjaski can be beaten by a good boxer ... the way Filho did it.
I don't think his chin is very good (pretty thin guy), but he has a hoost-a-live defense.
Great defense but if you can get through it with puches ...
I've seen him in trouble vs fi Venitian too. Thats about his only weakness I see.
You have to be able to get inside first ... watch out for the knees!

[MZN]

Great defense but if you can get through it with puches ...
I've seen him in trouble vs fi Venitian too. Thats about his only weakness I see.
You have to be able to get inside first ... watch out for the knees!

I think that fight against Venetiaan is not really representative anymore. In those days he tended to put his cover up and look down way more than he does today. If you see that Ernesto was not able to put him down and defeat him convincingly enough (although I thought Hoost won) you can see that he's much better than those days.

What I always think is a pitty on Remy is not that his boxingskills are well not as good as they should but that he doesn't even dare to use them against some opponents. He's not afraid to knock down Musashi but when Botha is his opponent (who was knocked down by half the planet prior to that fight) he doesn't try enough Imo.

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well you gotta look to your goal. he would be stupid to trade punches with Botha if he can outkick him. That was his gameplan and his goal was winning the GP.

Remy stated that if the kickboxer sticks to kicking the kickboxer wins, if he start boxing the boxer wins.
Musashi didn't box too vs Mercer ... I can't blame those two.

[sparkles]

Remy will never be a powerfull boxer, he's not built like one. You can train it, but the basic talent is there or not. He's pretty complete.

[Toffa]

Yeah well he wont go any further if Leko and Shilt come back :P

[Dado]

Bonjaski can be beaten by a good boxer ... the way Filho did it.
I don't think his chin is very good (pretty thin guy), but he has a hoost-a-live defense.
Great defense but if you can get through it with puches ...
I've seen him in trouble vs fi Venitian too. Thats about his only weakness I see.
You have to be able to get inside first ... watch out for the knees!

I disagree with you.

Firstly I think that Bonjasky has a solid chin, he took some heavy blows and remained on his feet and he has never been ktfo out before. Mirko beat him by the referee stopping in and when he was knocked down he just sprung up without wobbling at all. Also in his fight vs Majstorovic when he was hit with that spinning heel kick, he stood straight up and that would have knocked out other people.

Also he isnt really thin, he may appear to be thin because he is so tall but infact he is at around 106 kg if im not mistaken. He has a perfect physique.

His defence has been breached before when someone with heavy hands puts pressure on him but that was back before he was the champ and I think he has improved on that. He was troubled by Botha mainly because he just came out of fighting Hoost. So I think it shows nothing but a good chin and decent defense that he was able to stand without getting knocked down during the fight.

He should be able to handle Mo if he fights smart and the way he usually does. I think also how he moves so much and uses the ring effectively will be perfect for fighting Mo, who so far has only fought people that stand toe to toe with him - with the exception of Kaoklai, and we all know what happened there!

[voodoomaster]

is it Remys left eye thats bad??

[Toffa]

He was troubled by Botha mainly because he just came out of fighting Hoost.


Really? I thought it was because of Botha's boxing skills (something Remy doesnt possess) and a dramatic improvement from their last fight, Botha is still a beginner after all. I know you're a Bonjasky fan but lets not get carried away here.

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Toffa, I am one of very few that actually pay Botha his dues and have complete respect for the guy, and yes he went out with a much better game plan in the second fight against Remy. But, you cannot say Remy was not effected from fighting a very tough 4 rounder against Hoost. Botha was still at 100% but I`ve never seen anyone at near that after fighting Hoost.

[Wobewt]

Great match! :)

But, I'm sad that all those fights will be on April 30, look at them:
- LeBanner vs. Gary Turner
- Ignashov vs. Peter Graham
- All Bellagio event with great fighters inc. Remy, Williams...

I can't be focused on just one :)

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^^

So true.

I wish they were all on the same card! lol

[Dado]

Really? I thought it was because of Botha's boxing skills

Of course that also troubled Remy. I was simply stating the main reason that Remy was struggling was because he fought Hoost before and injured his arm like oyo stated. It doesent take a genius to see that Remy would have had much less trouble with Botha if he had come in fresh for that fight.

And no im actually not getting carried away. He has won the finals 2 times in a row and has had some big wins and people still dont show him enough respect.

[Toffa]

Yeah he would have been tired, i just prefer to think the main reason is because Botha keeps on improving :P

I think Remy is a good fighter but i liken him to Heath Herring and Pride. Imagine if Fedor, Crocop, Minotauro and Coleman all left, so that year all Heath Herring had to do to become the champion was beat Takahashi.. again. Its a silly analogy but Remy has lost to every good fighter (Crocop, Leko, Shilt, Filho.. and some now say Hoost) except for Ray 4 years ago and again, maybe Hoost if you agree with that decision. So when they leave (Shilt, Leko and Crocop) or become inactive (Filho), Bonjasky becomes champion. For that reason (and the fact that he had to beat Musashi twice of all people) I dont regard his GP wins as anything like those maybe 6 or 7 years ago. I think he is a good fighter but nothing more.

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Hmm didn't think about that! All those fights on the same eve. Do not forget however that JLB is fighting in Geneva and Bab4 is in Vegas - different time table. Where is Graham fighting?

[Wobewt]

Where is Graham fighting?

Graham will be fighting in New Zealand. I put my $$ on Ignashov. With healthy knee, off course...:)

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Graham vs Iggy really is a brilliant fight.

As is JLB vs Smiler for reasons mentioned in the other thread. A brilliant weekend of fights, which sucks only for the reason that I cannot see all three events

[Lord Gaul]

Its funny because people forget that Remy and Botha fought last year when both where fresh and Remy won easily. He even had a knockdown in the first. Its amazing how people don't take that into the equation when they talk about the WGP match. I do think that Botha fought his best fight, but if you take out the Aerts injury we would be talking about the Aerts, Remy fight right now.

I also agree with everyone that thinks the Remy Moe fight will look like the Wallis/Moe fight. I think Wallis did everything right until he got KO'd. Remy will do the same but unlike Wallis he will keep his hands up and he is a bigger KO threat then Wallis is.

[unicorn]

Remy has much greater experience in the game than Mo. Mo is not so brilliant with kicks and guys who have a too simple go-forward-and-punch game can embarras Remy to a certain extent but not without a great toll taken upon them. He has a very versatile game of wearing and tearing with counter-kicks the guys who only attack with punches, as he proved more than once. Remy is in pretty much trouble when he faces guys who come forward BUT have a very solid defensive. This was Leko's game. Remy is also not a very speedy guy, that is, he covers very well an average speed with varying intensity of attacks - out of - say - 4 blows he launches, 2 might be tag punches, but then one never knows which of them and he will fire swift at the cost of sacrificing the power of some. This is cunning for the guys who only close distance and trade. Mirko spoiled this game because he can take such kind of punishment and react very brutal and also sharp. With all due respect, when he received the kick from Mirko, Remy took it on guard but was so dazed that Mirko unleashed fire at will, the ref deciding to waive off was wise because the end was inevitable and in any event he was losing decision anyhow. Filho's game was a bit the same : he used power kicks and then closed distance in spite of some punishment (Filho is a great guy in receiving blows and really not caring too much) and fired heavy on him. Remy was also embarrased by Schild because Semmy has a considerable reach advantage even at Remy's 1,96 or so, and he is also a brutal striker. But no such case with Mo. He has none of the above except for power punches. We also don't know how much Mo can cope with knees, at the beggining Remy was not very accurate with knees, he used them rather as a disuasive weapon, but now this changed a bit (remember Graham, who is not unfamiliar with knees eating two in a row to get ko-d, and this was one year and a half ago). Apart a bomb from Mo, Remy has all the rest of the arsenal and the tactic. He cannot KO Mo with mere force, but he can tax by KO Mo's mistakes, and he can induce him into a bunch of them.

[Toffa]

Its funny because people forget that Remy and Botha fought last year when both where fresh and Remy won easily. He even had a knockdown in the first. Its amazing how people don't take that into the equation when they talk about the WGP match. I do think that Botha fought his best fight, but if you take out the Aerts injury we would be talking about the Aerts, Remy fight right now.



Well I for one have not forgotten. You seem to be forgetting however that it was only his fourth fight (not including the first with Abidi). It is blatantly clear that Botha has improved a hell of a lot, and will continue to improve. Hopefully next time he will not get robbed.

[Anjew]

Mo can be dangerous, but c'mon, not for Remy. He must be careful (not to get caught by the famous right hand) and score. We can't compare Wallis, Lighty or Goodridge to Remy. Besides, Wallis probably would have won it on points, if he hadn't gone for an open fight, he was in panic because of the cut and lost it silly. OK, Carter got caught too, but I guess he wasn't focused enough. Mo shouldn't manage to KO Bonjasky and I think it will go the other way - Remy by highkick/knee KO.

[AKA]

I pray for MO!! I hope he will KO Remy :) Just for changin K1 face :)