Gina Carano vs Kaitlin Young spoiler

[Lord Gaul]

Man it was a good finish for Gina who showed it all tonight. She won by TKO doctor stoppage after the 2nd. Gina tried a gogo in the first came and in the second let her hands go and landed some bombs. Kaitlin was game, but the bigger Carano was to much.

This is a partial win for Gina, because she came in over weight by 41/2 pounds. She is tough, but that is rediculous. She can forget about the bigger fights in the world because she can't make weight period. She has to fight at 145.

[xavion]

Nah, she just needs to start making the cut to 140.

Who's going to fight her at >145?? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any elite women MMA fighters at that weight.

[Lord Gaul]

^^There isn't any, but she has never made 140. She has always been heavier and I don't think she can do it. If the girls want to beat her bad enough they will come up.

[We're Back]

Frankly, I thought the women's fight was downright sloppy. They both looked extremely unrefined for two women who are promoted as 2 of the best in mma. This was the first women's fight I have seen, and after watching it I don't really ever want to see another.

Their skill level is severely lower and something about watching women punch up each other looks unnatural at the very least

[origamidoug]

Bullshit fight, bullshit win. Gina's only hope in MMA is fighting women 10-15 lbs. lighter than her. She has some decent muay thai, but she can't beat anyone skilled that weighs the same as her.

[timmothy84]

Gina is a hell of a fighter. She said she wasn't making excuess but with Gladiator and acting she only got limited training that she is use too. I thought Gina used her Jab really well and it hurt Katelin's eye pretty bad. Katelin had awesome Round house Kicks. She needs to work on here defense though after throwing them. It always looks like she leaves her self wide open to take a shot after she throws a high kick.

[Gomi Shoji]

Wonder if they would sign Roxanne to fight her.

[Titan]

I think it was pretty entertaining fight seen from what I think the show was looking to do. I'd seen some women's MMA before on EliteXC, and my expectations weren't high. It wasn't technical, Kaitlin should have some basic takedown to go to when the punches rocking her, but I think the match-up worked well for this show.

[Lord Gaul]

Frankly, I thought the women's fight was downright sloppy. They both looked extremely unrefined for two women who are promoted as 2 of the best in mma. This was the first women's fight I have seen, and after watching it I don't really ever want to see another.

Their skill level is severely lower and something about watching women punch up each other looks unnatural at the very least
Sounds like you hated the card period.

To me the fight showed alot of good technique. I mean I was shocked that Gina went for that Gogo so fast. Kaitlins clinch was awesome, and she did a great job of the low kicks. I mean it was a fun fight for me. My only problem is the weight thing.

[mugen67]

I kind of felt that they wouldn't have stopped the fight if it were a man with a lumped up eye like that, but then again the New Jersey crew seemed very conscious of the fact that this was their most high profile event and mainstream America was watching closely. I think it was somewhat unprofessional of them to let the situation get to them like that and they ended up hurting Elite XC. Then again, perhaps this all left the viewers wanting more, only time will tell...

I thought the fight was decent (the same could apply to the card in general). Carano might not be the best fighter, and she certainly has the deck stacked in her favor, but she does have a somewhat natural striking style whereas Young was too robotic.

[Jarzi]

Frankly, I thought the women's fight was downright sloppy. They both looked extremely unrefined for two women who are promoted as 2 of the best in mma. This was the first women's fight I have seen, and after watching it I don't really ever want to see another.

Their skill level is severely lower and something about watching women punch up each other looks unnatural at the very least

If you can find Montoya vs Megumi Fujii, watch that. IIRC it was pretty awesome fight.

As for Carano, I think it's a joke that she's fighting at 140 and never makes the weight.

[aubtin]

Carano's a talented fighter but she is seriously taking the piss with her weight.

[Chewbaca Joe]

If you can find Montoya vs Megumi Fujii, watch that. IIRC it was pretty awesome fight.

Watch every fight Megumi Fujii ever had. Now that is a professional.

[K-1 Extremist]

The only way Carano will ever make weight is if she has a breast reduction.

[RedHawk]

First time I've ever seen Gina fight. I must say I still hate to see girls get hit in the face. I'm not much for ladies MMA.


But that Gina chick, she hits like a TRUCK! Great form when throwing her punches and covers well when the jab is extended. Head movement was good too. She must have a great boxing coach.

[ilostmydog]

Carano's a joke. She's missed weight more times than she has made it. If a male fighter did the same, they would no longer be employed, let alone be marketed as a superstar.

[slash]

Carano's a joke. She's missed weight more times than she has made it. If a male fighter did the same, they would no longer be employed, let alone be marketed as a superstar.

Male fighter has enough quality opponents in each weight class.
I don't know if there is any good opponent for Gina at 145?!

[Kevin Nash]

Gina is absolutely gorgeous, can fight, represents MMA in the mainstream media very well, is a breakthrough star as most popular American Gladiator and most importantly she murdered that wretched, boring, relentlessly self-promoting and self-important imp Rosi Sexton.

So Gina can do no wrong in my book.

[aubtin]

most importantly she murdered that wretched, boring, relentlessly self-promoting and self-important imp Rosi Sexton.

The Sexton fight was hardly a highlight in Carano's career. Rosi was fighting up at 135lbs and Carano showed how classless she was by weighing in at something like 4lbs over and basically saying "I'm not cutting anymore weight if you came to fight fight me at this weight".

[ilostmydog]

LOL, Aubtin beat me to it. I was about to mention that crap show. That whole debacle was one of the most unprofessional happenings in modern MMA.

[miscmisc]

So is this the fourth time in a row that she failed to make the damn weight?

If so, she is obviously shitting with us.

Yes, she is clearly a big woman. Her whole body structure is very thick, dense and fairly muscular plus the boobs. I totally expect her to be naturally heavier than, say, me, so it shouldn't be that easy for her to make that weight. But if she can't make it, she should just ask for a higher weight. It's not like they wouldn't listen to her.

That's why I kind of suspect she's been plain lazy on this matter. Is there any strong reason for EliteXC to stick to that weight, adamantly enough not to listen to her at all? Lack of opponents? Do they really care that much about such a thing?

I know, when it comes to her, so-called "weight class" doesn't mean a whole lot, but this is so fucking annoying, since I know lots and lots of female MMA fighters who take this shit seriously and actually go through hell to make weight. Women usually don't try to go for a ridiculously lower weight unlike men, but that doesn't make it that much easier for them.

She is a complete circus act.

[FieldingMellish]

So is this the fourth time in a row that she failed to make the damn weight?

If so, she is obviously shitting with us.

Yes, she is clearly a big woman. Her whole body structure is very thick, dense and fairly muscular plus the boobs. I totally expect her to be naturally heavier than, say, me, so it shouldn't be that easy for her to make that weight. But if she can't make it, she should just ask for a higher weight. It's not like they wouldn't listen to her.

That's why I kind of suspect she's been plain lazy on this matter. Is there any strong reason for EliteXC to stick to that weight, adamantly enough not to listen to her at all? Lack of opponents? Do they really care that much about such a thing?

I know, when it comes to her, so-called "weight class" doesn't mean a whole lot, but this is so fucking annoying, since I know lots and lots of female MMA fighters who take this shit seriously and actually go through hell to make weight. Women usually don't try to go for a ridiculously lower weight unlike men, but that doesn't make it that much easier for them.

She is a complete circus act.

That's being pretty harsh.

Carano is simply much bigger than most of the women fighters out there. As you say her body structure is much denser and she's just naturally heavier.

EliteXC created the 160 pound weight class to suit Nick Diaz so yes, I'm sure if they could find enough opponents for Carano at 145 they'd restructure the entire division around her if they wanted to.

And people often completely ignore another part of the reason for her weight issues - her ridiculous schedule.

She had to bulk up for American Gladiators and then had to deal with a media schedule busier than all but a handful of male fighters and certainly more than ANY female fighters AND actually train for fighting AND cut weight in order to fight at a weight class she simply isn't suited to.

Of course, the easy answer to that would be for her to just not do anything besides fighting but that's totally unrealistic. Why should she close off other avenues for making more in such an uncertain general MMA scene and particularly in one where without EliteXC she essentially has no other viable options open?

[Jarzi]

And people often completely ignore another part of the reason for her weight issues - her ridiculous schedule.

She had to bulk up for American Gladiators and then had to deal with a media schedule busier than all but a handful of male fighters and certainly more than ANY female fighters AND actually train for fighting AND cut weight in order to fight at a weight class she simply isn't suited to.


So she shouldn't have taken the fight at 140, especially considering that she's never made 140 in the first place.

Frankly, there are no valid excuses for her not to make weight.

[miscmisc]

That's being pretty harsh.

Carano is simply much bigger than most of the women fighters out there. As you say her body structure is much denser and she's just naturally heavier.

EliteXC created the 160 pound weight class to suit Nick Diaz so yes, I'm sure if they could find enough opponents for Carano at 145 they'd restructure the entire division around her if they wanted to.

And people often completely ignore another part of the reason for her weight issues - her ridiculous schedule.

She had to bulk up for American Gladiators and then had to deal with a media schedule busier than all but a handful of male fighters and certainly more than ANY female fighters AND actually train for fighting AND cut weight in order to fight at a weight class she simply isn't suited to.

Of course, the easy answer to that would be for her to just not do anything besides fighting but that's totally unrealistic. Why should she close off other avenues for making more in such an uncertain general MMA scene and particularly in one where without EliteXC she essentially has no other viable options open?

I thought I was being pretty generous, actually. All I'm asking her is just not to shit on the whole point of having weight classes. You make it sound like there is some sort of a special reason to allow women to go absolutely loose about it, and I personally don't find any. There IS a legit female MMA scene going on for a while. Why treat them so dramatically differently, to the point where we should feel obliged to accept agonizingly weak excuses like "I was busy with other stuff"? You are damn right that I ignored her schedule thing. Why shouldn't/wouldn't I?

Again, it's not like someone tied her up and ordered her to fight at that particular weight no matter what. She did say, YES, without any knife at her throat, didn't she?

But damn, given her track record, you should do much better than that to be her apologist, Fielding...

You know what, I guess what annoys me the most is the fact that people simply accept such a terrible scandal as if that's the way it is. This is a fucking scandal by any standards. That tells you eloquently that people just don't give a damn about female MMA.

[FieldingMellish]

I thought I was being pretty generous, actually. All I'm asking her is just not to shit on the whole point of having weight classes. You make it sound like there is some sort of a special reason to allow women to go absolutely loose about it, and I personally don't find any. There IS a legit female MMA scene going on for a while. Why treat them so dramatically differently, to the point where we should feel obliged to accept agonizingly weak excuses like "I was busy with other stuff"? You are damn right that I ignored her schedule thing. Why shouldn't/wouldn't I?

Calling her "a complete circus act" seems pretty harsh to me. It's not like somebody went out and found a pretty girl who can't fight and then fed her a slew of utterly useless opponents or 'arranged' for her to win all the time.

Carano is a very entertaining and also, a skilled fighter.

Is she really the only person to be out there "shitting on the whole point of having weight classes"? What about people who cut huge amounts of weight and get in the ring/cage a full weight class or so bigger than their opponent? Its perfectly within the rules and so totally understandable but also completely bypassess the entire rationale of weight classes.

I don't believe I made it seem like there's a reason women shouldn't have to abide by weight classes. I really don't see where you would take that from my post.

Its completely up to you whether you ignore her schedule as a reason for this latest failure. I didn't say you had to consider it, I just offered it up as a reason. That was all.

Again, it's not like someone tied her up and ordered her to fight at that particular weight no matter what. She did say, YES, without any knife at her throat, didn't she?

Fair point. But why is Carano the only one who seems to be getting all the heat for this? Ultimately its her responsibility but some of that is shared by the promotion who keep booking her at this weightclass.

But damn, given her track record, you should do much better than that to be her apologist, Fielding....

I'm not her apologist. I'm offering reasons, not making excuses.

[miscmisc]

Calling her "a complete circus act" seems pretty harsh to me. It's not like somebody went out and found a pretty girl who can't fight and then fed her a slew of utterly useless opponents or 'arranged' for her to win all the time.

Carano is a very entertaining and also, a skilled fighter.

Is she really the only person to be out there "shitting on the whole point of having weight classes"?

No, and your point being...?

I've made it very clear multiple times on this forum that I do not like those rigorous weight cutters, but that's just that, and this is this. We are talking about someone who has constantly failed to make weight god-knows-how-many times, to the point where you start doubting that she even cares. There are all kinds of people who try to take advantage of rules themselves, but their existence does not excuse those who actually clearly break said rules. Those are two entirely different beasts, and besides, it's not as if disliking them are mutually exclusive to begin with. I don't know why you had to even mention that.

I don't believe I made it seem like there's a reason women shouldn't have to abide by weight classes. I really don't see where you would take that from my post.

Are you sure if there was some guy who was famous, busy and all that AND steadily failed to make weight like, say, three or four times in a row, and in fact almost never made weight for important fights, would you be so understandable?

Call me a wanna-be psychic, but somehow I don't see you react the same way.

Its completely up to you whether you ignore her schedule as a reason for this latest failure. I didn't say you had to consider it, I just offered it up as a reason. That was all.

No, I DID consider it and didn't give a damn. That's the difference, and actually that's the whole point. The existence of an excuse does NOT always excuse your action, whereas the validity of it can or does. I didn't find that excuse valid at all.

Overloading yourself with lots of stuff is completely within your own responsibility, unless you are near the bottom of social hierarchy or something. Her situation hardly makes me feel sorry for her. If you are a sales person and use that as an excuse for one of your customers, you would be fired right away. We, and more importantly, her opponents (which seems completely absent in your argument) are THAT customer. Again, why should we care about that?

But why is Carano the only one who seems to be getting all the heat for this? Ultimately its her responsibility but some of that is shared by the promotion who keep booking her at this weightclass.

If I thought she was totally screwed by EliteXC, I would absolutely rip them apart. But again, somehow, I don't believe that's the case here. And of course, my "circus act" comment was directed mostly at EliteXC. I think you usually use those words to dis an org who actually set such stuff up, like, when I called Bob Sapp a circus act, I was certainly shitting on DSE/FEG. Those are THE people who actually turn something into a circus act.

But anyway, do you seriously think that they would drop her if she asked them to put her in a higher weight class? Of course I blame EliteXC for either failing to see (after so many failures) or not giving a rat's ass about the likelihood that she would not make 140, but that does not lessen the possibility that she is plain lazy or loose on weight in general. And when I say that, I definitely include in that laziness/looseness category the fact that she keeps saying yes to that weight class for some reason. I'd apologize to her if there is any unfortunate and valid reason for her to keep saying yes, though.

[FieldingMellish]

No, and your point being...?

I've made it very clear multiple times on this forum that I do not like those rigorous weight cutters, but that's just that, and this is this. We are talking about someone who has constantly failed to make weight god-knows-how-many times, to the point where you start doubting that she even cares. There are all kinds of people who try to take advantage of rules themselves, but their existence does not excuse those who actually clearly break said rules. Those are two entirely different beasts, and besides, it's not as if disliking them are mutually exclusive to begin with. I don't know why you had to even mention that.

I mentioned it because you said she was shitting on the entire point of having weight classes. You made it seem as if she were the only one.

And as much as you try and say they are two different issues, my point was that weight classes mean little anyway when people can and do get around them by judicious weight-cutting.


Are you sure if there was some guy who was famous, busy and all that AND steadily failed to make weight like, say, three or four times in a row, and in fact almost never made weight for important fights, would you be so understandable?

Call me a wanna-be psychic, but somehow I don't see you react the same way.

You find me a male MMA fighter who's such an exceptionally good media interview, has consistently great fights, can win over thoroughly sceptical audiences/press and is essentially the face of their gender's entire involvement in the sport AND happens to be involved in a major TV show that directly conflicts with their need to cut weight for fighting AND is competing in a completely alien weight class and we might have a fair comparison.


No, I DID consider it and didn't give a damn. That's the difference, and actually that's the whole point. The existence of an excuse does NOT always excuse your action, whereas the validity of it can or does. I didn't find that excuse valid at all.

Fine. I don't CARE if you consider it. I was pointing it out as a valid reason thta so many people, in their rush to crucify Carano, completely forget. If you don't give a damn that's fine. At least you were open-minded enough to consider it.

Sadly, you again mistake my offering a legitimate reason for me excusing her. Please show me where I've excused or apologised for her.

Overloading yourself with lots of stuff is completely within your own responsibility, unless you are near the bottom of social hierarchy or something. Her situation hardly makes me feel sorry for her. If you are a sales person and use that as an excuse for one of your customers, you would be fired right away. We, and more importantly, her opponents (which seems completely absent in your argument) are THAT customer. Again, why should we care about that?

When did I ask you to feel sorry for her?

My point, if you'd care to revisit it, was that its unfair to judge her motives given that nobody judging her is actually in the same position. Why should she give up on outside options for revenue in such a precarious business when she's offered these fights?


If I thought she was totally screwed by EliteXC, I would absolutely rip them apart. But again, somehow, I don't believe that's the case here. And of course, my "circus act" comment was directed mostly at EliteXC. I think you usually use those words to dis an org who actually set such stuff up, like, when I called Bob Sapp a circus act, I was certainly shitting on DSE/FEG. Those are THE people who actually turn something into a circus act.

You actually have no idea who is the driving force behind her continued presence in this weight class she obviously doesn't belong in. Nor do I. But you seemed to be completely blaming her.

But anyway, do you seriously think that they would drop her if she asked them to put her in a higher weight class? Of course I blame EliteXC for either failing to see (after so many failures) or not giving a rat's ass about the likelihood that she would not make 140, but that does not lessen the possibility that she is plain lazy or loose on weight in general. And when I say that, I definitely include in that laziness/looseness category the fact that she keeps saying yes to that weight class for some reason. I'd apologize to her if there is any unfortunate and valid reason for her to keep saying yes, though.

I actually said they'd create an entire new weight class for her if they so choose (using the Diaz example). I never floated the idea they'd drop their second most recognisable/media magnet fighter. Not even Gary Shaw is that clueless.

[dragomort]

I mentioned it because you said she was shitting on the entire point of having weight classes. You made it seem as if she were the only one.

And as much as you try and say they are two different issues, my point was that weight classes mean little anyway when people can and do get around them by judicious weight-cutting.

Weight cutting is part of the sport. Forcing your opponent to do it while you don't bother is disgusting and against the rules of the sport.


You find me a male MMA fighter who's such an exceptionally good media interview, has consistently great fights, can win over thoroughly sceptical audiences/press and is essentially the face of their gender's entire involvement in the sport AND happens to be involved in a major TV show that directly conflicts with their need to cut weight for fighting AND is competing in a completely alien weight class and we might have a fair comparison.

It's sort of impossible given your criteria, as male MMA is already established. Noone is arguing that the media circus and everything else is easy or anything like that, but if ANY male figure failed to make weight 4 times in a row in a weight class designed for them (and I don't think it's even debateable that it's entire purpose thus far has been to showcase Gina) he would no longer be the face of anything but scorn. Lutter and Riggs are immediate examples of the outrage people feel towards it, yet they only missed once in an important fight with the increased media attention and none by near 4.5 pounds.



Sadly, you again mistake my offering a legitimate reason for me excusing her. Please show me where I've excused or apologised for her.

I think it's just more a case of it being dismissed as irrelevant by the majority of the media that gets everyone upset at it. I know it's the telling factor for myself at least. There are perfectly legitimate reasons for being off on weight, but she's been the only one I've ever seen that got a completely free pass for doing it, let alone doing it 4 times in a row.

My point, if you'd care to revisit it, was that its unfair to judge her motives given that nobody judging her is actually in the same position. Why should she give up on outside options for revenue in such a precarious business when she's offered these fights?

I don't question her motives at all. She's a talented fighter making her name with good performances. Good interviews and skill in the ring are excellent, but without a professional attitude towards fighting (as shown with the constant weight issues, always fighting opponents down a weight class and all of her comments about being forced to do this fight to star in AG season 2) questions are naturally and legitimately raised.

To turn the same question around (though I know the answers, I suspect): Why should she be allowed to fight when she's not taking it seriously and professionally? And why do those that love the sport allow it to occur with such passivity?



You actually have no idea who is the driving force behind her continued presence in this weight class she obviously doesn't belong in. Nor do I. But you seemed to be completely blaming her.


Noone forced her not to make weight except herself. While I blaim EXC for not adjusting the weight classes if that's the tact they'd like to use, I can't hold them or anyone else save that person at fault for any single person not weighing in at their contracted weight.

[miscmisc]

I mentioned it because you said she was shitting on the entire point of having weight classes. You made it seem as if she were the only one.

Did I? I don't think I did, as there are quite clearly a lot of other people who constantly shit on the whole point of weight classes, such as those who inhumanly cut weights to gain advantage. I only said that all I was asking her was not to shit on the whole point of having weight classes. How you could deduce such a far-fetched conclusion from something as simple as that is beyond me. "The only one"? Give me a break. Is it THAT strange to see me criticize someone who failed to make weight multiple times in a row? Would you be satisfied if I also screamed murder at every single rigorous weight cutter in the business?

If that's the case, you are clearly demanding too much from me. She's just an easy target, and IMHO pretty much deserves it. She is just beyond an acceptable level, and I consider my acceptance level pretty high in fact.

And as much as you try and say they are two different issues, my point was that weight classes mean little anyway when people can and do get around them by judicious weight-cutting.

Wait a minute, are we getting to this lovely place where people just sing out loud, "it's all futile, fuck it anyway"? It seems that you are trying to turn the whole system upside down to merely justify some minor anomaly, at the expense of the entire foundation. I know you will say you didn't mean that, but that sort of arguments just logically lead to that destructive place in the end. And I don't respect that kind of arguments.

You find me a male MMA fighter who's such an exceptionally good media interview, has consistently great fights, can win over thoroughly sceptical audiences/press and is essentially the face of their gender's entire involvement in the sport AND happens to be involved in a major TV show that directly conflicts with their need to cut weight for fighting AND is competing in a completely alien weight class and we might have a fair comparison.

You are starting to sound like a Gary Shaw there. Shame on you, LOL.

Seriously though, I smell something dangerous and plain unfair from what you wrote there. If you scream that out loud in public, you would practically be an enemy for most female MMA fighters out there. Frankly, your apparent indifference to her potential and actual opponents bothers me.

And I don't think I have to spend multiple sentences to prove that we would NOT have a "fair comparison" because the criteria you threw there are some fundamental Kantian fallacy in the first place (= not worth debating on). Anyway, I hope you are not saying that if such man ever exists, you would forgive him/cut him some slack about failing to make weight four times in a row. That would be some serious Gary Shaw shit, and I might start feeling like you are schizophrenic...because I always thought that was the very kind of stuff that you didn't care for.

Fine. I don't CARE if you consider it. I was pointing it out as a valid reason thta so many people, in their rush to crucify Carano, completely forget. If you don't give a damn that's fine. At least you were open-minded enough to consider it.

I flat out disagree with you there. Do you REALLY think people who criticize her don't know her schedule has been hectic? I think most of us criticize her while taking that thing well into consideration and simply dismiss that "reason" as a bad "excuse". I don't understand what made you think otherwise.

Sadly, you again mistake my offering a legitimate reason for me excusing her. Please show me where I've excused or apologised for her.

Err...but you ARE excusing her, if not trying to render her completely innocent. If not, what else are you doing? What do your Gary Shaw moments above even mean then? We KNOW there is a "reason" for somebody failing to make weight, and that does not stop us from criticizing that person unless that "reason" is a good EXCUSE. I just didn't find that "reason" to be a good "excuse" for her repeated failures. You just underrated us (= those of us who criticize her) by "offering" that "reason," as it was pretty much Captain Obvious for most of us I believe. I STILL feel like criticizing her given all THAT, is the whole point.

I don't know why the words like "excuse" offend you so much, BTW. There is no such thing as neutral "reason" free from being an excuse in this kind of argument, and instead you only have bad excuses and good excuses. There is nothing wrong with those words anyway, as one MUST offer some excuses or even apologist arguments to defend someone, and you are supposed to be doing exactly that = defending her from my "harsh" criticism. If you say you aren't even doing that, you will completely lose me there.

When did I ask you to feel sorry for her?

Jeez, Fielding, please don't act like I'm stupid. You know that's an irrelevant rebuttal. Obviously you never literally asked me to feel sorry for her.

But you did say that I should consider her hectic schedule. That means I should ease my criticism to whatever extent because of that, as you found my criticism "pretty harsh". And in order for me to do that, I would have to sympathize with her to some degree. I'd have to feel more or less sorry about her situation. So yeah, actually, you did ask me to feel sorry for her. Q.E.D.

Otherwise, the whole schedule thing that you presented in your reply would be some random nonsense/non-sequitur, and I'm sure you are not the type of a person who would throw random irrelevant stuff in an argument.

Why should she give up on outside options for revenue in such a precarious business when she's offered these fights?

OK, let me copy the style you seem to have opted for in this thread:

When did I say she should give up on those things? What makes you think giving up on those options would be absolutely necessary for her to make weight? I don't quite understand where your bold assumption comes from, and I talked bugger all about this stuff anyway. So it's pretty irrelevant on so many different levels.

You actually have no idea who is the driving force behind her continued presence in this weight class she obviously doesn't belong in. Nor do I. But you seemed to be completely blaming her.

And you don't know if she REALLY doesn't belong in that weight class. You don't know if she did her best to make weight. See? It works both ways. You assume at least as much as I do.

I respect your opinion, though. I just don't find any evidence or reason to feel the way you do.

Frankly, "I'm the face of this thing, and please go easy on me because I was busy" just pisses me off on some basic level. Maybe it's just me, but it is me unfortunately. I just can't sympathize with Gina. It's just impossible for me especially when I think of those female MMA fighters who are possibly even busier with their shit day jobs than Gina is with her glamorous "schedule". I would feel like punching her in the face if I were them, but sadly, she would be probably too much heavier and bigger than me because she would never make the promised weight, and THAT pisses me off again.

I actually said they'd create an entire new weight class for her if they so choose (using the Diaz example).

So my question is, why didn't they? Why did she agree to fight in that weight, while knowing how valuable she is to the organization? Surely she could've arranged something better, could she not?

It seems to me that BOTH she and EliteXC just don't give a damn about weight classes. They seem to be in the same boat as far as I'm concerned.

And it goes without saying that that attitude of her both ilostmydog and aubtin talked about earlier in this thread is still fresh in my mind. Yes, I'm probably biased, but for a good reason.

[K-1 Extremist]

Like I said, if she gets a breast reduction we've just cut that weight.. FOREVER.

[Lord Gaul]

I am a little shocked at all the argueing. It is clear to me that she shouldn't fight at 140, because she has never made 140 for a fight. She should fight at 145. I garantee you that all the top girls at 135 would come up to fight Gina. Not one of them would stay proud and miss there biggest payday. Not to mention that alot of them think the she is a circus thing to.

As for fighting, there is no question that Gina is talented. She uses her hands really well and above all else, understands counter punching anf commiting to a jab and that is something that most MMA male fighters don't understand. As for as ground savy goes you can see the improvment. She went to gogo in no time and kept Young from throwing one punch. She didn't have time to finish the choke, but notice how she fell to her back to keep young from fighting as much. I don't think that skill is a question here, its more a respect the game issue.

[ilostmydog]

Bottom line is that weightclasses and weigh-ins are rules, not frickin' suggestions, no matter what kind of star power you have.

[EckY]

The weight class was made for her and she never makes it, its become a complete joke now.

135 and 145 are already in place, they made 140 for Gina and make 135 fighters move up to fight her there. She should just fight at 145, the best of the 135ers will still probably go up for the chance to beat her.

[Grant Ellis]

She's so hot though..

[seese]

She's so hot though..

That might actually be the reason why Shaw wants her in that weightclass. The sexism in MMA never fails to surprise.

[FieldingMellish]

You are starting to sound like a Gary Shaw there. Shame on you, LOL.



I may NEVER forgive you for that one! :)

I'm not going around in circles on this anymore.

Besides, I'm trying to get drunk here!

[( o Y o )]

someone has a "crush" on Gina I think :-D

[miscmisc]

I may NEVER forgive you for that one! :)

I'm not going around in circles on this anymore.

Besides, I'm trying to get drunk here!

Yay, my "bombard the shit out of him with so many words that he will quit eventually" worked! Keyboard warrior, baby!

But to be honest, I so much wanted you to come out saying, "YES, I JERK OFF TO HER, SO I'M JUST DEFENDING MY GIRL!" Mission unaccomplished. ;)

Sorry about my keyboard warrior-ness, man.

[seese]

Yay, my "bombard the shit out of him with so many words that he will quit eventually" worked! Keyboard warrior, baby!

But to be honest, I so much wanted you to come out saying, "YES, I JERK OFF TO HER, SO I'M JUST DEFENDING MY GIRL!" Mission unaccomplished. ;)

Sorry about my keyboard warrior-ness, man.

http://forum.kakutougi.info/showthread.php?t=1450 :-)

[FieldingMellish]

Yay, my "bombard the shit out of him with so many words that he will quit eventually" worked! Keyboard warrior, baby!

But to be honest, I so much wanted you to come out saying, "YES, I JERK OFF TO HER, SO I'M JUST DEFENDING MY GIRL!" Mission unaccomplished. ;)

Sorry about my keyboard warrior-ness, man.

LOL.

For the record, I have NEVER jerked off to an MMA fighter of any sex.

I'm not Tank Abbott - despite being rotund and beardy.

[Global Honored]

LOL.

For the record, I have NEVER jerked off to an MMA fighter of any sex.

I'm not Tank Abbott - despite being rotund and beardy.


Not even for Randy Couture? Serious?

[miscmisc]

LOL.

For the record, I have NEVER jerked off to an MMA fighter of any sex.

Liar.

I must confess that I have... to someone who is retiring now... But it wasn't normal circumstances... if you are an absolute MMA geek, you probably know what I'm talking about... ahem.

[Paul T]

I thought that Young had great stand up.

I would like to see her in another match with some one her own size
or just watch her Thai skills as that is obviously her strength.

[miscmisc]

^^^ Damn, you follow my shitty gross post up with such a sober one, you evil bastard, lol.

[aubtin]

Liar.

I must confess that I have... to someone who is retiring now... But it wasn't normal circumstances... if you are an absolute MMA geek, you probably know what I'm talking about... ahem.

I don't think you have to be much of a MMA geek to work that one out, and don't worry mate, who can hand on heart say they haven't done the same.




http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/images/fighter/91_l.jpg

[miscmisc]

I don't think you have to be much of a MMA geek to work that one out, and don't worry mate, who can hand on heart say they haven't done the same.

Good job, Sherlock, LOL.

[aubtin]

Good job, Sherlock, LOL.

I know, incredibly immature of me but I couldn't resist.