Ray Sefo vs Badr Hari ***spoiler***

[sparkles]

So what's next for sugarfoot?

[K1power]

I hate to say this about my hero, but hanging 'em up or fighting cans seem like the only options for Ray now. It may sound harsh, but after these last four fights I just don't think he has what it takes to defeat anyone elite or even semi-elite anymore.

[killlah]

So what's next for sugarfoot?

retirement fight with Mark Hunt on Dynamite :)

[Lord Gaul]

You know, it would be a bad idea for them to put him in the US tournament. There are some beatable names in there and he can slowly build him self up for another run at the WGP.

As for Hari, Glaube is perfect. Glaube came into this last fight smaller then he has been since his debut. He would be a perfect match.

[sparkles]

I hate to say this about my hero, but hanging 'em up or fighting cans seem like the only options for Ray now. It may sound harsh, but after these last four fights I just don't think he has what it takes to defeat anyone elite or even semi-elite anymore.

Man that sounds depressing ;-)

Sefo lacks size (height en reach) and that’s the reason why he always takes a lot of damage during fights. Short guys like him never last long.
People have to realize Sefo is already 37 and I think that he also lacks the stamina right now to go at full pace during 3 rounds. His showboating didn’t’ work against Hari ( he usually does that to regroup and to recover ), Hari just kept on the pressure. This was quite a painful display to see Sefo getting slaughtered. I don’t think he should be fighting against the top opposition anymore, mainly to protect himself. It was not a pretty sight. But he sure can still crush soft opposition, but the top heavies? I don’t think so.

Normally I would say Sefo, Le Banner, Aerts, Hoost in order of retirement.
Aerts is still a question mark right now, he was looking very good for a while but eventually he ran had again into a serious injury. I don’t know if it is still possible to make a successful comeback at the age of 38, coming from a severe knee injury. ( in the sense of being as successful as he was last year without sustaining a new injury )

Eventually it's up to Ray what he wants to do. I can see him do other things in K-1 like commenting along side with The Voice, training and scouting new talents for K-1. All retired veterans should do that, just like Hoost is doing now. Would be great for the sport.

[mugen67]

When I was watching Hari beat the hell out of him, it occurred to me that he should probably move to MMA. Actually, he really should have tried to transition completely after his win in Heros against Min Soo Kim. If he had been training that whole time, who knows how successful he might be. I actually feel the same way about Hunt, and Mighty Mo. All three of these guys seem to have naturally good takedown defense (at least relative to their experience levels), they obviously have powerful strikes, and none of them is much of a threat to win the WGP. Considering the weak state of the HW division in MMA, this would definitely be a good move.

[AKA]

It makes me sad to watch that fight...
Sefo wasnt like we thought he would be, Hari was so good!

Yeah I would love a Sefo-Hunt rematch and a Hari-feirosa clash!
It will be great!!!!

[miscmisc]

When I was watching Hari beat the hell out of him, it occurred to me that he should probably move to MMA. Actually, he really should have tried to transition completely after his win in Heros against Min Soo Kim.

You mean, Mighty Mo?

Anyway, Badr in MMA is absolutely the last thing on his and FEG's mind. No chance at all.

PS: Oh, I thought you were talking about Hari. You were talking about Sefo. Well, he's old, and I don't think he would be likely to have much success in the REAL MMA world. Too late, and I don't like the idea of K-1 fighters trying to go into MMA after their bodies get worn out in K-1. They shouldn't do that unless they REALLY like MMA.

[AKA]

yeah Sefo in MMA doesnt sound good at all...
Mo: probably!

[tonypol]

yeah Sefo in MMA doesnt sound good at all...
Mo: probably!

when will fight Jerome ?and with who?

[mugen67]

You mean, Mighty Mo?

Anyway, Badr in MMA is absolutely the last thing on his and FEG's mind. No chance at all.

PS: Oh, I thought you were talking about Hari. You were talking about Sefo. Well, he's old, and I don't think he would be likely to have much success in the REAL MMA world. Too late, and I don't like the idea of K-1 fighters trying to go into MMA after their bodies get worn out in K-1.

Well, it's all relative, depending on his takedown defense, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he might be able to string together a few wins in a weak HW division. If he went somewhere like Elite XC, maybe they could give him some favorable matchups where he could showcase his standup. Either way, I don't see him doing too much in K1 at this point, and if he stays there he will probably end up taking a lot of punishment (whereas in MMA, he might just get caught in a submission).

[heckyl]

Sefo beat Min Soo Kim as well with a highkick. Mighty Mo m'owned him with the mo'verhand right. hell, everybody owns Min Soo Kim. not good to gauge an mma career off that.

[mugen67]

Sefo beat Min Soo Kim as well with a highkick. Mighty Mo m'owned him with the mo'verhand right. hell, everybody owns Min Soo Kim. not good to gauge an mma career off that.

Everyone except Minowa... but yeah, I wasn't trying to imply that beating Min Soo Kim is much of an accomplishment

Speaking of K1 fighters moving to MMA, it's too bad Schilt is winning every match because for some reason I feel like he would be successful if he returned to MMA. His striking is sharper now, he's getting a lot more KOs and back when he used to fight MMA he seemed really skinny. He's a lot bigger now and might be able to defend the takedown better. He's always been pretty hard to GnP (look at the Fyodor fight) and a lot of MMA orgs generally have quick standups (UFC, Elite XC).

[EckY]

Mo was a pretty good wrestler in high school and he has SERIOUS 1 punch power, he should definately stick with MMA imo.

Was sad to see Sefo lose like that I really wanted him to get the win, not sure how far he could go in MMA but a fight with CroCop could be fun.

[machsaku]

He's always been pretty hard to GnP (look at the Fyodor fight)

sergi put it to him though:)

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

Ray has always had some glitches in his skills but his other skills (hard head and punching power) normally saved his rear.

Without these losses Ray's confidence (somewhere in the stratosphere) would never accept the truth that some defensive basics need more work.

He might go through a week or so thinking that he did his best but then he is going to get his competitive edge back and say, "What do I need to do to become a 37 year old winner?" He will see the changes that Aerts made throughout his career and know that he can and needs to adjust to become truly competitive again.

No one likes to lose but it can open a world of new discoveries and options.

I think by the time the elims role around, Ray will be a new man. Thanks in large part to the ass kicking he recieved by Hari.

[Lord Gaul]

You know another thing I have been thinking about lately is I think its good for K-1 Next Generation guys to beat the old brase. I think it shows how ligit the new guys are. So stuff like Saw beating LeBanner and Hari beating Sefo is good in the long run. It shows people that these new guys belong.

That was my attempt at looking outside of the box.

[heckyl]

You know another thing I have been thinking about lately is I think its good for K-1 Next Generation guys to beat the old brase. I think it shows how ligit the new guys are. So stuff like Saw beating LeBanner and Hari beating Sefo is good in the long run. It shows people that these new guys belong.

That was my attempt at looking outside of the box.

good attempt. i agree completly. while i have always loved Sefo as a fighter, i was totally rooting for Hari to dismantle. Age catches up to everybody eventually, and Hari is a young tough skilled dude whos going to shine. i still have him winning a WGP soon enough. Sefo had his years, as have the others. some didnt make it all the way. its unfortunate, but we cant all be champions. the new generation is what is going to carry the sport for the next decade. we need them to shine and show they can hang.

[CentralKickboxing.Org]

You know another thing I have been thinking about lately is I think its good for K-1 Next Generation guys to beat the old brase. I think it shows how ligit the new guys are. So stuff like Saw beating LeBanner and Hari beating Sefo is good in the long run. It shows people that these new guys belong.

That was my attempt at looking outside of the box.

Or maybe inside the box. Haha.

This has been happening for a while. The young lion vs the old lion. Mirko beating Greco. Bonjasky beating Sefo. Ignashov beating Bernardo.

[Anjew]

Or maybe inside the box. Haha.

This has been happening for a while. The young lion vs the old lion. Mirko beating Greco. Bonjasky beating Sefo. Ignashov beating Bernardo.

Kaoklai beating Ignashov... ;)

[Long Fist]

So what's next for sugarfoot?


Hari looked very good - but I couldn't help wondering, what are the K-1 rules ATM ... because Sefo seemed to take a lot of damage,when Hari did couple of times tha good old "grab the head with two hands and pull it down to a knee strike"...

[Kamatari]

Hari looked very good - but I couldn't help wondering, what are the K-1 rules ATM ... because Sefo seemed to take a lot of damage,when Hari did couple of times tha good old "grab the head with two hands and pull it down to a knee strike"...
Watch the fight again - none of the knees were illegal. He either released just as he was about to throw the knee or pushed his head down without actually grabbing him. Smart tactic that's not easy to pull off or else we'd see it used more. Yoshihiro Sato did it to William Diender in 2005.

[Long Fist]

Watch the fight again - none of the knees were illegal. He either released just as he was about to throw the knee or pushed his head down without actually grabbing him. Smart tactic that's not easy to pull off or else we'd see it used more. Yoshihiro Sato did it to William Diender in 2005.

I thought there was a change of rules that dictated tha only one hand could be used to push or pull down ...anyway, it is easier to do with a definitive height ad vantage and I don't see Hari managing to do these moves against guys like JLB, Glaube, Aerts ...